8ewrhsa swsto na mirastei afto to log se olous na gelasoume ligaki : (o Synchro fysika to pezei asxetos) Session Start: Sun Nov 24 01:33:11 2002 Session Ident: VIRAX [01:03] kala output den pezei sto taurus ? [01:03] akoma [01:03] all anoixe to sample [01:04] na dei ena gemato apradeigma [01:04] nai dokimasa merikes entoles [01:04] asxeto prepei na exei ena lathos sta Lines: [01:04] alla isws den einai diko sou ftaiksimo [01:04] kala auta den emeandiaferoun [01:04] einai gi thn poutsa [01:04] to code na doulebei sosta thelo [01:04] e koita otan grafeis me gui to swsto einai na einai ola ok [01:05] bre to gui [01:05] einai eikoniko [01:05] autoi tha fygei [01:05] teleios meta [01:05] tha sou dino mono to ocx [01:05] kaimeta tha kanesi oti gui sou aresei [01:06] filofoxo na thn pepekteinino gia games [01:06] me vb ? [01:06] o yes [01:07] kala sthn VB kai QBASIC eimai guru peritto na sto po [01:07] den kserw prosopika den mou fenete kali epilogi gia na kaneis kati tetoio [01:07] alla xero kai polles alles glosses [01:07] nai ok mporei na eisai poli kalos , alla i idia i glwssa kapou tha se periorisi [01:07] giati den einai gia hardcore douleies [01:07] den aktalabes [01:07] akouse me [01:07] prosexesi [01:07] pes mou [01:08] pes oti xreiazesai ea grgoro programmatistikoer galeio oste na mporeis grhgora kai euola na sxediazeis 3D graphics [01:08] koita otra fash [01:09] me mi gamh kodika ..p.x. DRAW 3DCube(x,y,z,Colo r) tha ektelei o interpreter mou oles ekeines tis grammes kofdika kai me aposfalmatosh aftomath apo thjn vb auto pou esy tha xreiazotan na kanesi me tis ores [01:10] Einai dhladh kati san Scripting Language based on VB pou tha apoite;ei High Level Tool [01:10] katalbes? [01:10] na to kano pio liana [01:10] egw katalava [01:10] esy omws alla mou eipes prin [01:10] oti thes na pas akoma pio lowlevel apo language api functions [01:10] dhladh einai ena diermhneuths ths vb pou tha ektelei taxytata pola pragmata se steyl syntomeuseh gia sean [01:10] oti theleis na ftiakseis to diko sou graphics api [01:10] oxi gia thn TAURUS [01:10] nai katalava ti thes na kaneis [01:11] gia to leitourgiko mou sou elega [01:11] kai to leitourgiko pws tha doulevei ? se ti glwssa tha to grapseis [01:11] SE QBASIC alla tha to metsxhamatiso se C [01:12] exo blepeis kapoia limitations [01:12] se qbasic [01:12] oxi kapoia [01:12] terastia [01:12] pou mporo bebaia na ta Arro alla theli na kano kapoia pragmata [01:12] bareta [01:12] den exo terastia problhmata [01:13] ok analoga pws to ennoeis diko sou OS [01:13] apla xreiazetai tsampa kopos pou telika tha mou xasei se taxythta [01:13] an theleis na ksekiniseis ena micro os apo to tipota [01:13] grafeis anagkastika assembler kai c [01:13] den ginete alliws [01:13] ma den katalabes dhd auto trexei me ton disko sou formarisemno megael [01:13] den xreiazetai tipota mesa! [01:13] :-) [01:13] xexe [01:13] tha trexei on top of windows dhladh ? [01:14] opos thes tha trexei [01:14] oti sou goustarei kaneis [01:14] nomizw oti exeis mperdepsei ligo ta pramata [01:14] oxi katholou [01:14] allo ena environment/os pou trexei on top of windows [01:14] oxi re [01:14] kai allo ena diko sou kenrel apo to 0 pou kanei [01:14] bootstraping [01:14] kai mporei na ksekinisi apo mia apli disketa [01:15] hdh tora an to dokimaseis trexei kei se keno disko [01:15] poio ? [01:15] to FENIX [01:15] auto pou exo sth selida [01:15] ma afto einai PE [01:15] pws tha to kaneis execute se keno disko [01:15] re katebase to kai tha deis [01:15] re to eida [01:15] koita milas me atomo pou den leei malkies [01:16] akou pou sou leo [01:16] posa xron ia programmatizeis? [01:16] kai nomizw oti exeis mperdepsi merika pramata/ i alla ennoeis kai alliws ta les [01:17] gia pes diti esu mallon den lkatalbaineis ti sou leo [01:17] oso kali C kai na ksereis gia paradikgma [01:17] nai gia lege [01:17] den mporeis na ftiakseis OS apo to miden [01:17] ama den ksereis pws na to kaneis [01:17] tinles kale [01:17] siga to prama [01:18] ego den sou leo kati periergo [01:18] kane ena styl UNIX [01:18] afto pou katevasa apo to site den einai os [01:18] trexei panw se os [01:18] gia thn poutsa [01:18] diga [01:18] popo [01:18] se ry [01:18] pws tha to kaneis dhladh [01:18] m keno disko [01:18] ena se styl unix [01:18] ena mikro kernel [01:18] ame [01:18] pou tha exei mono ena syscall [01:18] siga [01:18] eksigise mou pws [01:18] me c [01:19] pure coding [01:19] kainme qbasi [01:19] kainme pascal [01:19] kai me oti thes [01:19] nai eksigise mou pws tha to grapseis [01:19] to structure [01:19] mhn xexnas ori oi glosses programatismouden einai anagkasmense oles na txoun se ena os [01:19] den einai oipos oi visualglosses [01:20] oxi alla theloune enan kernel [01:20] pou tha fortonei to binary executable image [01:20] nai oraia [01:20] kai tha to trexei [01:20] re sy [01:20] ena kolo exe kanesi gia ertxh [01:20] pou [01:20] pairnei in/out [01:20] auto kai kanesi douleia [01:20] ok dhladi thes na peis oti afto pou exeis sto site einai standalone OS [01:20] o yes [01:20] dokimase to [01:20] kai mporei na doulepsei me keno disko [01:21] aha [01:21] ok eksigise mou pws tha to trexeis afto to .exe [01:21] otan den exeis tipota ston disko [01:21] apla grafesi FENIXb1 kai trexei [01:21] siga [01:21] re sy xexnas kati [01:21] oi glosses pou douleboun se styl DOS den exoun na kanoun me systhmata arxeion [01:22] ok [01:22] den tous endiaferei para mono to hardware [01:22] ara [01:22] allo prama leme tote [01:22] koinos [01:22] se styl dos [01:22] ego grafontas se Qbasic gia 8086 [01:22] vgazei ena .exe binary ok ? [01:22] aplak terxei! [01:22] nai oraia [01:22] oxi kaneis lathos den trexei etsi apla, sou leipoune vasikes gnwseis system internals kai ta exeis mperdepsei [01:22] akou mono na sou pw 2 pramata kai pes mou meta [01:23] otan tha trexeis to .exe sou (afto pou exeis ftiaksei twra) [01:23] nai.... [01:23] ti? [01:23] apo mia disketa ok, xwris disko [01:23] nai [01:23] 1) prepei kapws na bootarei afti i disketa [01:23] tha einai bootable disketa ? [01:23] aplo proxora aprakato [01:23] gelio [01:24] se duo leptato exo ftiaksei [01:24] LOL [01:24] tha tin exeis formarei bootable ok ? [01:24] nai [01:24] wraia [01:24] kai otan teleiwsei na bootarei [01:24] tha trekseis to .exe sou ? afto ennoeis ? [01:24] oxi [01:24] asxeto [01:24] den tha kano boot me disketa boo [01:24] t [01:24] alla pws tha kaneis boot ? [01:24] etsi tha exo etoimo systhma arxeion [01:25] am den einai etasi [01:25] an den to kaneis etsi [01:25] tha prepei na ftiakseis diko sou bootstrap kai kernel [01:25] etsi xrhsimopoio thn assembly tou diskou mou [01:25] kai o kernel tha prepei na exei fs handling [01:25] alla mprorona kano diko mou boot [01:25] aplo [01:25] gelio [01:25] kai na kanei load ta executable [01:26] pws tha to kaneis eksigise mou ton kodika [01:26] re sy [01:26] popo [01:26] koita [01:26] se qbasic den exeis lowlevel access [01:26] o disko sou apo thn stigmh pou ton agorazesi as leei oti einai kenos [01:26] exei ena systhma arxeion apo to Bios tou [01:26] oraia>? [01:26] oxi kaneis lathos [01:26] nai re file [01:27] alla mesa sto bio tou kolodiskou sou [01:27] den exei bios [01:27] yparxoun kapoia interupts [01:27] esai xazos e? [01:27] o diskos den exei bios [01:27] popop [01:27] exeis dei pote esoterika to disko? [01:27] pame stoixhma!! [01:27] to fs diamorfonete apo to operating ssytem [01:27] xaxa [01:27] LOLO| [01:27] re akoume ligop [01:27] akou [01:27] akou [01:27] akou [01:27] egw akouw esy den akous.. [01:28] o disko sou ean den eixe bios den tha ton ebriske to systhma !!! [01:28] ekleise auto [01:28] auto to bios [01:28] einai rithmismeno na dinei kapoia interuptd [01:28] einai rithmismeno na dinei kapoia interupts [01:28] meta [01:28] exei kapoies low level entoles [01:28] oi opoeis tou lene [01:28] xereis koitaxe [01:28] to tade arxeio [01:29] kai diabase to gia boot [01:29] kane auto pou tha sou po [01:29] kai an den xeinhsei [01:29] na mh me lene VIRAX [01:29] ok katalava ti thes na peis [01:29] anoixe to EDIT tou DOS [01:29] nai.. [01:29] kai ftiaxe ena nee file [01:29] mesa mh balesi tipota [01:30] ok [01:30] pla sosto os io.sys [01:30] to IO.SYS [01:30] atomata tha to diabasei o dskso sou [01:30] kainmeta tha kanei boot os ena shmeio [01:30] apo ekei kai pera [01:30] an exeis grayei kodika [01:30] xekinaei [01:30] kai foronei oti tou peis [01:30] KTALABES AGORI MOU? [01:31] bre edo mileme gia tpoixeiodh pragmata [01:31] tha sou pw egw pws einai kai esy psakse/rota/diavase [01:31] kai kane oti theleis stin sinexia [01:31] re xero den einai h prtoh fora [01:31] bios kai magika pramata ston hd sou den yparxoune [01:31] kala oti peis [01:31] afta pou les kataligoune [01:31] se syscalls ston kernel [01:31] re [01:31] o opoios kanei handle to hardware [01:31] na sou po [01:31] ti spoudazeis? [01:31] spoudazeis mhxanikos? [01:32] tipota [01:32] kai de xereis auta ta bsika pragmata? [01:32] ti tipota? [01:32] den einai h apoyh mou [01:32] einai oti yparxei sto pc souy [01:33] * Logging VIRAX to 'logs\VIRAX.log' [01:33] koita apo 8 xronon paizo me to pc mou les na mhn exoa noixei ka i dei ri paizei mesa? [01:33] kai gw apo 8 xronon paizo giati na exeis pio dikio apo mena ? [01:33] les na mhn exo dei ta oloklhromena?\ [01:34] akouse me kai de tha xaseis [01:34] egw ? egw akouw [01:34] esy den akous [01:34] ma xero ti sou leo [01:34] den eimai protarhs [01:34] oute kai gw [01:35] Session Ident: VIRAX (qtgeo@lami364-b016.otenet.gr) [01:35] re akou kai ena pou exei faei thn zoh tou sto na mathei ti paiz etai ekei mesa napoume [01:36] ego sou dino xeiropiasta paradeigmata [01:36] kanta kai tha deis [01:36] ok [01:37] ti allo me rothse prin sxetilka meton kernel? [01:37] a nai [01:37] koita [01:37] ego ftiaxno ton basiko pyrhna kai apo ekei kai pera kano klhsei s mesa se auton [01:37] EASY [01:38] tha ftiakseis pirina se qbasic ? [01:38] exo ftiaksei hdh kernel [01:38] thes ton kodika> [01:39] einai me bash ton domhmeno programtismo [01:39] se ti glwssa ? [01:39] kai katanhmhmeno [01:39] se QBASCI [01:39] se QBASIC [01:39] ok [01:39] e-mail? [01:39] an theleis na ton steileis steiltonna to dw [01:39] apo to irc me dcc den mporeis ? [01:39] wait [01:39] ok [01:40] to dexete? [01:40] nai ok wait [01:40] oraia mporeis na to deis [01:41] exeis thn QBASIC h na sth doso? [01:41] exokai thn teleutaia version [01:41] pou einai oso grhgorh oso kai h pascal [01:41] wait 1 min [01:42] den irthe swsta [01:42] i den einai afto to source file [01:43] ti ennoeis? [01:43] exei skoupidia mesa oxi kodika [01:43] auto eimai [01:43] den einai afto anoikse to na deis [01:43] miazei me resource file [01:43] re sy poia qbasic exeis? [01:43] ti douleia exi i qbasic ? [01:43] source den mou esteiles ? [01:43] kai me edit to vlepeis [01:43] me tio to anipixes re? [01:43] popo [01:43] kala trelo eosai [01:43] ok goodnight [01:43] katsenasoi dodo [01:43] thn qbasix [01:43] giti esy eisai [01:44] den aknei accept .zip files [01:44] pes mou e-mail [01:44] tin exw tin qbasic [01:44] kai den mporw na tin valw tora [01:45] ena unzip kanesi [01:45] kai ola ta al,kla ta exo etoima [01:45] siga to prama [01:45] re plaintext den einai to source sta .BAS files ? [01:45] oxi re [01:45] kamia sxesh [01:45] auto agoria mou [01:45] den einai enamodule [01:45] ei ai synolon aopi modules [01:46] gia auto blepsi skoupidia [01:46] einai synolono opo modules [01:46] katalbes [01:46] einai to olo source [01:46] na sthn steilo? [01:46] oxi tin exw [01:47] anoixe to loipon sthn qbasxi [01:47] na deis [01:49] blepeis ti ennow tora? xexe oxi gia na mh les... [01:51] entaxei xero oti exo ekplhktiko coding kai oti ta sythmata mou einai ola bltistopoihmena kai exo genika mia mania me thn beltistopoihsh alla a n krino apo to posh ora diabazeis porothikes e? [01:54] ela paradexou to [01:54] eimai klashs anoteroa [01:54] ela pesto [01:55] den ftanei pou me petaxes kai apo to kanali [01:55] den blepo na thes na akouseis kai kanena pou pragmatika xerei s ? [01:55] xaxa [01:55] esy xaneis megael ----------- [23:45] dioti to Z sto telos dhlonei warez [23:45] ah ok [23:45] thanks re [23:46] hmm kai to vm ? ti thelei na pei me to vm ? [23:46] virtual machine [23:46] dhladh ti ennopei me afto [23:46] den katalavainw [23:46] oti den einai kanoniko linux [23:46] alla einai virtual ? [23:47] oxi re sy [23:47] apla einai otidehlonei [23:48] asto allh fora [23:48] den katalavainw ti ennoei virtual machine [23:48] theli xrono [23:48] pes mou to apla Session Close: Sun Nov 24 23:59:01 2002 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! 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