1. Help 2. History 3. Tech 4. Greets 5. Other 6. Exit Michael Kargas wishes you Quest For Freedom :) HELP ---- Hallo! This is the section where I will tell you about the Controls of this Note. Press "<" to go to the next page.. - With ">" and "<" you can change the page. - With the numbers 1-0 you can choose where on the text to go. For example with 0 you move to the end, with 5 to the middle.. I did this thing because it would be very boring to wait this elastic writer to stop 60 times to move to a far position on the text.. - By pressing "Q" you can go to the menu where you can choose a section with the numeric keys too.. There will be 5 Sections on the Menu: 1) Help(This page) 2) History(How did I started this project and other stuff... 3) Tech(Technical Stuff..) 4) Greets(My fave :) 5) Other (Here I will write some of my thoughts about the Qbasic scene/community my future projects some stuff about me and my computer life (Do you remember "The Poor Freak" Demo? :) and many other important stuff.. 6) Exit the Note Ok.. Do you remember the keys? They are <,>,1-0 and Q,very few to remember.. Now press "Q" to go to the menu! The History ----------- Where to start? What to say? The fact that this writer has too big letters, the hard way I write it and run a Qbasic prog to save the text to a dat file (which I will have later to reconnect with other datas in a big dat file and I am bored when I am thinking it :P) and the sad fact that perhaps this demo wasn't exactly what I planned to do, make me loose my courage to write this thing.. But because of the modules and MP3 that are being played on the background while I write it, because of the dreams that I had while coding this thing and the thoughts I want to share to you through this note and of course because I like writting on notes, scrollers and writers and giving greets to all my new online friends I met after 1 year , my courage to write it grows! Afterall it is a nice intermision from coding to something more relaxing.. I was tired with this project and somehow unsatis- fied and anxious for various reasons, but still I find it fine and I will go on for higher skies! And some of the most important purposes of doing this demo are ful- filled, so I am still happy for what I have done.. But more stuff about these, will come on the "Other" section.. Hey,. I have written 8 pages without starting with the history yet :P Ok, here it is! Do you remember my old pathetic demo called "The Poor Freak"? That time I had learned about the demoscene and my whole universe had changed! I knew only few Basic stuff from my CPC and I wanted to recode the old techniques I was seeing in the beautiful demos I was watching! I was coding simple stuff like stars, sprites and fade using the ready commands of Basic like GET-PUT and PSET. It was the first time I would show my codings to the people out there! At the beginning I wanted to code a bigger demo called "The Project Info- Freak" but because I was anxious to release something, I connected some of my old codings and released the stuff. It was not what I wanted to do (Hehe,. exactly like the same with this demo,.. or perhaps with every of my project? :) but it was still very good and had new effects that I hadn't planned before the time I decided to code this thing.. Because I didn't make the demo I wanted to do, the next plans I had was to finish the Project Infofreak demo. I would still use the old Qbasic commands and I had in my mind some effects and some parts in my HD never ever released (Which I don't need to release, because they use the logic of Qbasic with the old commands and I poke on Vram anymore..) Ok, let's go finally to the real history! The TPF demo was the reason to meet Javier Roman aka TeXeL from Spain who send me some feedback about it. I told him that I was planning to code the "Project Infofreak" demo I left and he answered me: "Why don't we code the best Qbasic demo ever?" It happened that we started to code demoeffects on Qb! In the beginning I was wondering how can he do so big effects which need to write so many pixels on the whole screen so fast. He taught me how to write pixels poking in Vram instead of using Pset (I was lame that time :) I got a big plasma effect from him and I was amazed by the speed! I was also amazed when I saw the simple source code which was pure qb. Immidiately I tried to do the same in my own programm where I was poking random pixels on the screen. Oops! Why it isn't fast? But of course because I didn't compiled it to EXE o Satyros! (Satyros is a greek word that Peter has learned me in order to remind to myself how lame I am when I do something really wrong!!! :) Ok,. I compiled it to EXE, but it still was the same slow! I was waiting that the computer would write one frame for 1-2 secs!!! As in the older days with the Pset command actually :) Then the first Illumination came! Oh! Javier was precalculating the Sines in Arrays! It's not only Pset but also other things that slows down your programm and they are really too much! In my programm RND was the slowing down command! In Javier's programm the Sines would be a problem and also the Reals! (But he was multiplying the Sines by a number and saved them on integer arrays. Ok we need multiplied sines as they are, for our plasma, so it was so easy to optimize a plasma (Most nice and at the same time easy effect imho..) And I was still learning amazing optimizing tricks with Javier even optimizing tricks where you have to think the logic behind how a compiler works! Well,. not exactly that cool as you hear it,. it is simple, it's just actually some not so common used optimizes because you wouldn't beleive that these things would speed up your code! (I will explain all these later and if not only in the tech section, also in an article for a Qbasic mag on the net (I know QBCM, so there is where I will publish the whole shit..) And I am still finding some really amazing things that could boost up your fx, things that I couldn't beleive that they could have such success and so I was snobbing these things before.. I Will Always discover new amazing tricks that Will make me say Wow! Before this, I Will Not beleive that my programms Can be more Optimized! The same happens with assembly where Antitec of Dirty Minds rocked me up with some amazing optimizes in my plasmas I did on Amstrad CPC and with some other tricks he told me! I also have found a new amazing trick on Qb which speeded up a 320*100 fire from 50fps to 100 in my computer, a Pentium200MMX!!! And I haven't said this thing yet to Javier, and I am not sure if he knows it yet! Really good to boost effects which uses 2d arrays like fire, blur and feedback! Ok,.. I will tell you more about it in the technical section (But I always prefer to write these stuff more detailed in a Qbasic mag..) Let's continue with the History. Javier had done some really cool effects he was sending me through email, like some 3d tunnel (non free directional) a fake 3d head, wave and feedback and he was even claming to work on some realtime raytracing engine for Qbasic!!!!! He was doing things shitty fast! Ok,. this is a rumor that is hard for you to beleive and the bad point in this story is that he wrote me in an email that he is not interested any more for Qbasic. So I never saw his raytracer, but I will ask him if he still has the sources of his Qbasic fx that my eyes never saw.. So I decided to finish this demo alone. But of course it wouldn't be what we were thinking of it, and it also isn't exactly what I was thinking of, due to the deadline.. But I am still satisfied because I have learned a lot of things and some of the fx are very good for what the Qbasic scene has seen until now and especially very fast! (With a Pentium 2, I can surely synchronize most of them to 70 fps and on my Pentium 200MMX it is still enjoyable with good frame rates for such big effects..) With Javier we haven't stopped the cooperation, (Although I have to write him an e- mail decades ago :) We will continue on C++ (But this does not mean that I'm not interested in Qbscene anymore I am still interested for new Qbasic demos or even games and other programms and I will explain you about that in the OTHER section) I wanted to much to put my ready fx in this demo, so that I will show them in the Qbasic community, so that there will be one more good Qbasic demo on the list and so that I will show to other people my current knowledge on gfx algorithms (people could see my very old only knowledge from the TPF demo, which was too much lame according to the stuff that I have coded here.. So, it was time for a release and I am happy to get rid of my current codings for now! Anyway. There are other sections that I want from you to read and find important, like the Greetings and the Other section (Where I will talk about the scene, answer to the people why I was "loosing" my time with the Qb scene, talking about my future dreams on computer about things that had importance for my life, things I have learned these last months, about Quest For Freedom :) or even about the importance and the cool logic of a final note in a demo, like the note I have here.. Important for you to read, is also the Tech note I guess, but more important will it be when I write it more detailed in a Qbasic mag, probably QBCM (I haven't heard of any other mags out there, cause I am new on the Qbasic community and I don't have an idea what's happening there, which are the most famous coders, prods, games, utils, libs , e.t.c... I am new, but still interested for the Qbasic.. (Hmm,.. this will rock down most of my friends because they see that I spend my time with Qb, instead coding only in C++, but that's Freedom! I don't care if I look like a lamer with Qbasic, I am not continuing with Qbasic cause I wanted to play the Revolutionist (E.g. Qb is the best language, all the other sucks, that kind of attitude :P) But because I have some more real reasons which are inside me and I will try to explain in the "Other" Section. I am still very interested in Qb, but the bad fact for you, is that I will pause for 6+ months with Qbasic coding (But I will still write this period the tutor for the QBCM I was talking about!) because I have many other serious projects with some friends of mine like Pascal and Visual C++ demo coding for a Greek demoparty that has started again, lot's of articles for Ovation6 dmag on CPC + some Z80 assembly coding experimentation + learning some Asm on PC with my friend Peter aka Antitec from CPC (A real hardcore assembly coder!!!) Ohh,.. continuing my crazy web projects like The CPC Scene page (especially this,. because I have left it unupdated for Aeons and it's very important for the CPC scene..) my personal page , Female Computer Entites page, the Greek Demoscene page (It seems that the Greek scene is going to be reborn again! Bring more freaks in my country just to have to play! :) Of, course much more cool Dreams (aka Projects :)will come eventually in my crazy mind! Too many stuff.. Sometimes I feel that I resemble some other busy people who want to work for a lot of cool dreams in a short period of time and on many diferrent machines and scenes!!! (Hallo Mermaid :) So, almost nothing will be released from me in Qbasic for some time. But read the "Other" Section where I explain many thoughts of mine about all these and other stuff.. Anyway, I have 2 go now. I have to end this thing and go and write the greetings to all the online and offline (Or say better both :) computer friends and girls I have met for more than 1 year I was involved in the scene! And also to people that I respect from the other scenes even if I hadn't talked with them yet.. What else to say? I will just say goodbye to you! Have Faith! Signed: -------------- Michael Kargas aka Optimus of Dirty Minds Greece Thessaloniki 19-12-2000 P.S. I forgot to tell you the Credits, but I will do this in the "Tech" or on the "Other" Section (Or both :) Quest For Freedom :) The Greets ========== Do you remember my first greetings on Ovation5 Dmag? They were Big!!! Now, these are gonna be Huge! Think only that this writer has 2 big letters and few text can be put in one screen! I don't really know how much pages I will use (That's why I count the pages by using 3 digits) I am also prepared for some problems that may happen, when I write these texts on a basic programm which saves then the text as it must be saved, problems like String Space Corrupt, e.t.c.. Too many, cause I have met a lot of cool dudes after the last time I have written some Greetings in a production.. (At the beginning I thought it was our Diskmag Ovation5 where I write the last Greets, but now I think it is TPF demo, because I have coded it in the summer of 1999 too as I remember, But still I am not that sure.. (But who cares! I think it's time to rock you with some new greets!!!) I think I will have to start 1st with some People from Qbasic.. Qbasic People ============= Entropy ------- First of all you Master :) Of course because I don't know any other guy involved so much in Qbasic demo coding as you! And when I want to show some Qb demos to my friends, I have almost nothing to show except yours.. I go regurarly in your page and read your comments there! They are very interesting to read. I will not say anything about your demos, cause I think it's needless to say, they are the best demos on the Qb community (Damn,. there is no competition! :) But I can't wait to see some new demos from you.. Terminator Z ------------ Hallo to you! I know that you left the scene, but you still watch sometimes what is happening! So I think you have watched my demo 2 :) If not, I will have sent you the URL to download my demo after the end of Qlympics compo. Do you know Something? I was always afraid to trip on a skate- board as a kid and when I tried it one time, I falled and I hit my ass and it hurt too much, so I quited :) Coder of PB3D ------------- PB3D is Wonderfull I use it to show to my friends what means antialiasing flat, gouraud, env.mapp, e.t.c.. And to show them some high detail Object(E.g. Beet) and then they say: "Wow!" and then I say to then that this shit is coded on PowerBasic and they drop their jaws to the floor :) But then I say to them that it uses Inline Asm and they settle down :) Hmm,.. I think I should try to code a similar shit in pure Qbasic oneday Now I am thinkin it, there was a similar 3d program like this from Entropy but I am wondering why I didn't download it? I'll check it! Pasco ----- I just have seen an old Banana demo you have coded.. Nice Bobs! Nice scroller! Nice Writer! And sthing else: I am not so much inside the Qbasic scene, but it happened to download your game entry from a 1024b source code compo called Climber and I was amazed! I was amazed from the size of the source to build this game and the fun is that it is a funny game and sometimes I find myself playing it instead of coding or working for my web projects :) Continue coding! SEAV ---- I know you only from the Waterfall effect. It's cool but I haven't seen any other codings from you. Perhaps I should go to the webpages of Famous Qbasic People and download some new stuff.. I know few about the qbasic scene and mostly about the qb demos, but not that much about the qbasic community.. I should check pages of famous qb ppl to have a better image of the Qb Community.. Other People from Qb I want to greet for their prods I have accidentaly seen from Qbasic.. - Bryce Hitchkings (I hope I am writting your name right) for some of the first nice qb demos I have seen. - The coder of the Ferrari Parallax scrolling demo. (I should try to find and download again this demo) - Coder of ED3D (I think he is called MAZ) with the 3d Bee. - The coder of Monospace. ( I do not know many things about the Qb community as I have said it one million times, but what I have heard is that this guy was called Milo and I read oneday in a page that he was killed in a car accident (It's Sad that young ppl with lot's of dreams have such a destiny and I beleive that Milo had big dreams on computers and his life according to what I have seen from his success in Qbasic..) Hmm,. I should download Monospace again. The fun was that I was running it in Qbasic1.1 and it was smooth without even to need to compile.. I don't know any other programms from Milo because I am new on the scene. If you know and have something to recommend, either it's a game or a programm, or some history of the Qbasic scene, feel free to email me at: Mkargas@hotmail.com Grand ----- Hallo! What do you say about this Demo? Neat, isn't it? You haven't come to my home to play some Piano! I will call you, except if I will always have too many things to do and I forget all the others :P ------------------ The guys beelow are not exactly in the Qbasic scene. One has quited our demo, the other is interested in QB and the other has coded some really funny Qb demos but not in pure Qbasic Javier Roman ------------ Ok guy,. now look this demo! Actualy you have seen many of my effects on this demo already but now I am over and I hope we mail each other for more coding on C++ I had a lot of time to email you but lot's of work I had (As always :) and I didn't find also the time to start with C++ I have found a friend here in the city where I live and he democodes on Visual C++ with DirectX or sthing! Good motivation that I start with C++ finally! I will tell you my plans later in an email (Perhaps it will be the same email I will give you the Url for this email and perhaps another email,. who knows! Btw,. to the other readers of this note: I was talking you about a realtime raytracing engine that Javier did on Qbasic on the "History" Section. I just remembered that Javier has actually ported it in C++ and it is very fast! So, I don't think that there is any hope to see Javier's engine in Qbasic.. However if I can get Javier's other fx, I will upload them somewhere to get them.. (Of course, if Javier want's this or if he hasn't lost the sources..) Martin Coleman from TridemFX -------------- Martin is another online friend I have found really accidentaly. He is from Australia and was interested for Qbasic but he also codes for Assembly and C. Perhaps we could cooperate in some projects, who knows.. He is the 2nd guy I found accidentally and we talked about coding (Well, actually we have not said something important yet, just chatting on MSN :) and exchanged some of our source And it was nice for me to meet new computer freaks from the world and cooperate on some projects with them This make me thinking to start an international group,where people like Javier and Martin will belong and if I find accidentally a new freak and have fun talking and want's to code something with me, he can join on the group. I have just to think about that and try to find a name too. The group from Greek people I want to start, has no connection with this one here.. Except if some greek friend of mine want's to cooperate on my international group with people from around the world.. Anyway, I will tell you about my groups, my place on the scene and about all these in the "Other" Section. Let's continue now with the Greetings... Andy-Phoenix ------------ Hallo to you too! Now look what Qbasic can do! I had sent you my Roto-zoomer (Although without the code as I remember..) and I think that you must be dazzled when you have seen it :) Your demos are really funny as I had told you in my email, although I prefer to code in pure Qbasic on the scene.. - Hmm,. I forgot to greet 3-4 greek Qbasic people who I found on the People section of Neozones while searching the people there (I do the same thing in Ojuice page and I discover there Greek people, people from the CPC scene, Qbasic coders (Hallo Entropy! :) or even many nice female sceners out of nothing! (Check out my Female Computer Entities Page!)) So, I greet these people too, and I will try to contact them soon. (Btw,. I have found also 6-7 females, but I am not sure if they code anything on Qbasic yet..) Hmm,.. 50 pages only for the Qb People? It is a good reason to use the 3rd digit of the number which say you the number of the page :) This section seems to be the biggest! Cool :) I will continue with greets to some friends of mine. Some of them are very inside the computers and they just didn't beelong in any other sections of the greetings (At least for now..) Btw,. if I forgot anyone,I will have a "Greetings that I Forgot" section at the end. If I have still forgot you, I am just very sorry, lame, pathetic I would say.. Flame me! :) So, we continue with Friends Greetings.. Friends ======= Dimitris -------- Ti ginetai re? Pali tsontes kate- vazeis? :) Ego ta dino ola gia to coding re! (Ante kai gia tis kopelies stin Female Computer Entities page :) Tou Theiou sou tou edixa ta demos kai tou egrapsa kai ena soro ston disko. Afta... Hmm,. edo egine kapoio bug, i mallon egrapsa diplo keimeno, opote anagastika na to diorthoso me ton pio giftiko tropo parana psaxo keimeno gia na gemiso to keno (LOL :) Argiris ------- Sorry pou den axiothika na psaxo tin TurboBasic sto internet alla imun toso apasxolimenos sto democoding pou den eixa xrono gia tipota. Kai ego re paidi mou poly agxonomai me afta alla ama einai to deadline ti na kano? Poly tha mou poun to get a life alla xero poly ti kano kai den to metaniono! Btw,. afta ta teleftaia den exoun sxesi me to Greeting sou, aplos parasirthika kai elega ta dika mou :) Elpizo pantos na prolaveis na metatrepseis ta programmata sou se Qbasic, molis telios pantos me afto to demo tha eimai eleftheros genikos, na skefto tis alles enoies kai na sou xtypiso kana tilefonaki.. (Diladi prota tha ta poume kai meta tha laveis to greeting, ara ti noima exoun ta greets! :) Ti noima arage exoun kai gia aftous pou stelno alla xero oti den tha tyxei na trexoun to demo ektos kai ama tous doso ego to link? Alla xero oti exun kai as leo ego..) Kai edo to idio bug.. xmm.. damn! (Diorthono ta bugs tora. Damn,. poly gyftika! Afta exun ta deadlines..) (Ta real dreams mu mallon den tha exoun deadline!) Great! I eat at least 1 page for each greet and I have to send in more than 50 guys and gals out there Let's Continue Thanos ------ Can you beleive that feeling? NAI! Tsoustara mou esy, kyknaria, kai riza tou 2 alla oxi rizogalo, come on boy,PLUTO Is here! Astinome Saini kai kinito gramofono :) Kata ta alla Syndiazieren gia DefterPaokMin Vlepis!!! Xexe,. elpizo na min meinate apo afta pou grafo! Kala oi xenoi den thamas katalavenun katholou alla ti sxesi exei afto? Sampos eseis kata- lavenete? O Thanos kanei olous tous ixous kai tis musi kes apo to Doom, to Liero, ta games ta tragoudia, tous Iroes tou Disney kai ton Astinomo saini, k.l.p.. Einai kinito gramofono san ton typo sto Police Academy :) Anyway.. Exo na grapso kai alla greets.. AkumaX ------ Kairo exoume na ta poume kai me ixe piasei toso agxos pou exo xehasei tus pantes Xero ti tha mu pis tora, na ta afiso: "Koinonikopoisi" :) "Koinonikopoisi Mixali :)" Xexe,.. Ok,. na axiotho na pame gia kanan kafe me ton filo sou Expert pu telo kai afton na ton do. Pantos meta to Ianouario peftoun computer projects bolika. Tha xareis ama matheis oti tha peraso se win programming se VC giati vrika kai ena filaraki pou asxoleitai me demo coding edo stin Thessaloniki (Vrika polla filarakia alla afto einai alli istoria, tha sou po meta..) Pos pane oi emulators? Kana DreamCast tha dume ston PC? Ego thelo na do kanan PC2PC emulator me GUS emulation epitelus Vrika ton Bochs PC emulator kai to evala alla den xero ama pigainei arga logo tou H/Y moy, i epidi to mixanima pou kanei emulating einai kana 286 p.x. (Den xero, kai se kalytero mixanima pu to dokimasa ta idia xalia evlepa ke den blepo kamia epilogi na allazis CPU, pantos Ram ke megethos diskou allazeis... AkumaX is a friend of mine with the 2 PCs where I see all the new PC Demos I can't see in my own machine. He is in the team of PCSX Emulator as WebMaster and Beta Tester. Another Greek guy who is the main coder of PCSX and I know is Shadow. So I give my Greetings to him too: Shadow of PCSX -------------- Den xero ti ginetai me ton emulator, diavaza kati sto PCM gia synantisi alla akoma den akousa tipota. Ama ginei elpizo na boro na ertho kai ego gia na do kai ton kosmo apo to PCM kai to PCM Forum alla kai genikotera gia tin fasi! Pame gia kanan kafe ama axiotho kai ego na kanoniso (Fteo ego vlepeis pou exo afosiothei se tosa pragmata (Eidika meta ton Ianouario exo enasoro dreams na doulepso, ase pu kati paei na ginei me to zori stin Eliniki demo skini (Xekinisa ke Greek Demoscene Mailing List ke boro na po oti exi kinisi. Aaa.. den to eipa kai afto to neo sto Thanasi alla tha to akusei apo edo!)) (Klino edo tis kufes parentheseis kai synexizo apo ekei pou eixa afisi tin proti parenthesi 2 me 3 selides para pano (Ante geia :) :) alla den to meta- niono, axizei ton kopo!) Aris ---- Exo polla nea na su po otan tha ertheis Thes/niki, tha su dixo kai to demo prin kan to vgalo sto Qlympics.. Pos pane oi spudes stin Kozani Elpizo kala. Emeis edo asxoloumaste me coding, prepei na sou eipa oti vrika democoder apo Thessaloniki? Opote vreis xrono boreis na asxolithis kai esy mazi mas me coding Emeis idi tha vgalume demo sto Gardening3 party pu xanarxise, i kapou allou,. tha doume.. alla apo examino tha arxiso me VisualC++ me 1 paidi kai Pascal me ena allo,.ektos kai ama sifonisume kai vgalume 2 se 1 Asteris ------- Pou eisai re esy? kathe mera se sinanto alla den axiothika na pame na sou deixo ti kano apo democodin kai na sou deixo kai kana kufo C64 Demo alla kai kana PC pou den exeis dei (An kai esy prepei na exeis di para polla apo PC :) O Asteris kai o Aris einai dyo kodinoi mou filoi pou apo Thes/niki pou endiaferontai gia demoscene kai eidika o Asteris otan tou edosa 5-6 intros apo email den xreiastike na kano tipota allo! :) Arxise na kanei download apo monos tou epidi tou aresan para poly! Ostoso me ta pedia den exo asxolithei akoma me democodin alla einai oraio na exeis stin poli pou meneis atoma gia to demogroup sou kai filous poromenous me ta demos! Koulis ------ Ti les gia afto to demo?! Asxoli- pragmatika apo tote. Tha mu peis "Qbasic? Tha vgei o epexergastis kai tha sou xtypaei to kefali!" :) Thimame pou sas rotusa pos einai i Assembly kai gelusate :) Tote o filos sou o Andreadakis mou eipe:"Ti nomizeis oti tha kaneis diladi? To Second Reality? Xes ti kodika exei? (Edo eixe pei kai mia kotsana alla den peirazei :) kai tote eipa:"Wow! Xereis ta demos?" alla ixere mono to SR kai ego ithela na tou doso ena CD me nea demos, kai tou xrostao apo tote Etsi gia na exei giati tou arese to SR alla den eixe dei ta kainouria.. ta demos?" alla Pantos tora katalava pos einai i mallon ti einai i Assembly kai exo mathei ligaki ston Amstrad CPC (Perasa kati plasma effects) Min griniaxeis epeidi kai pali asxoloume me CPC aplos ston CPC ixa atomo na mou dixei tin logiki tis Asm eno ston PC oxi, gia afto kai den proxorisa. An kai tora pia xero tin geniki logiki tou assembly coding opote den einai ke poly dyskolo na peraso se X86 Asm, ase pou ke o coder filos mou apo ton CPC apofasise na perasei ke ston PC (Evale myalo tha mu eleges esy tora Xexe :) Eimai sigouros vevaia oti tha mou peis oti Tora Pia me tin megali isxi den xreiazetai na asxolithoume me ASM, kai i C++ ftanei, alla ego tha asxolitho Kai me Asm (Giati tha asxolitho paralila kai me C++ k.l.p. me kapoious filous mu gia democoding) Alloste exo ke ton Petro apo ton CPC pou einai Hardcore entelos me tin ASM kai akoma kai ama ithela na paratiso tin ASM aftos tha me Porone akoma Perissotero :) (Ta leme sto phone Prosexe tin briza :) Andreadakis ----------- Den xero ama eixes asxolithei apo monos sou me demos otan sou ixa dosei tis adreses. (Kai den enoo me demomaking, aplos ama katevases kana sygxrono demo, kana koufo 64kb intro, i diavases perissotera gia tin society pou legetai Demoscene apo tis addresses pou su eixa dosi) Elpizo vevaia o Koulis na eixe axiothei na sou dosei tis addreses an kai apo oti thimame sou eixa steilei meso email tis diefthinseis alla kai tin adres tis selidas mou ke apo oti katalava apo to roufianiko counter mou, eixes bi stin selida mu :) Sou xrostao akoma ena Demoscene CD gia na exeis na asxoleisai (Opos xrostao kai se ena soro alla atoma :) kai ama endiaferse kiolas kai theleis na asxolitheis me demomaking pes mu to min distaseis.. Ektos kai ama se endiaferoun peris- sotero aloi tomeis sta computer.. Alithia pantos, ti kanete apo H/Y genikos esy kai o Koulis? Apo coding ? Ego exo polla nea na sas po kai perito na sas po oti to exo parei poly sovara kai thelo na xatho mesa stin society twn Computer Freaks.. Exo tosa polla oneira na ekpliroso ekei pera kai para pollous real friends na gnoriso Exoun allaxei polla se emena apo tote pou eimastan ston Gesouli.. (Tora eimai aplws poly pio trelos :) Xaris ----- Fototypise to vivlio pou sou ixa zitisei me to paso sou diladi.. Edo i skini exelisetai file mu tha xanaginei partaki kai demos tha xanavgoun stin Ellada! (Vasika to partaki xanagine idi afton ton Septemvrio alla tha prepei na perimenoume mexri to kalokairi gia na doume alithino demoparty me diagonismous demo. Fere mou esy to vivlio (Simiosi: vivlio hacking apo kopelia Hacker :) Oxi, den thelo na gino hacker, arketi kai pio dikeh kai sosti doxa mou dinei to democoding,. aplws thelo na diavaso kai na gnoriso apo pio konta tin kultura tou hackin tis texnikes, klp. giati me exei berdepsi oli afti i hacking mania ke thelo na arxizo na apoktao pio inside eikona,. pantos den exo oute xrono oute logo na pao kai na enoxlo tous poor admins me anousies xakies! Mono enimerotika diladi. (Ante bori na mou xrisimepsi kai gia na xero pos na prostate- vome, ase pou safos pistevo oti kai stin hacking mania exei gnoseis aplos den einai toso coding gnosis alla pano se OS ke Diktya(Diladi kati pou den exo idea!) Kai mono i idea pantos oti tha diavaso tin gnosi mias copelas mou afxanei to endiaferon gia to vivlio :) Aman pia,me greets arxisa,me istories dikes mou teliono! O Xaris einai enas palios filos mu apo to xorio mu (Arnea Xalkidikis) pou eixe pari kati to mati tou gia demos ke apofasisa na tou deixo kati ego apo ta kenuria alla kai ta palia. Perito na sas po oti tou eixa dosei ena CD kai ta egrapse ola sto skliro tou ke meta apo liges meres mu ekmistireftike oti evlepe gia 2 meres demos apo to proi mexri to vradi! :) Fokionas -------- Elpizo na vlepis to email sou kamia fora. Anarotiemai giati kamia fora kapoia atoma exoun na doun to email tus gia kanan mina alla katalavaino.. Xanei kaneis isos poly xrono me to email watching kai ama dei kana email thelei kai na xanapantisei ke fevgei xronos.. Kai me alla atoma ginetai afto kai gia na tous vro tha prepei na gyriso stin Real Life :) Ego pantos email vlepo kathe mera ke prospatho na eimai oso boro sto net,. na vlepo oso boro kapoia forums kai newsgroups, oso boro kai ego vevaia, kai kamia fora borei kai na ginei kamia stravi kai na eime ofline gia 1-2 vdomades alla genikos epidi ekei mesa einai oli i koinonia ton freaks, eine ontos ena simantiko komati tis zois, prospatho na eimai energos.. Tespa, asxeta! Pali fagame ta Greetings gia asxetes skepseis mou! Fokiona, pame gia kana kafe kamia fora, elpizo na vreis xrono ke gia demos ama thes esy na asxolitheis mazi mas.. O Fokionas einai o trackeras filos pou emathe ston aderfo mou na xeirizetai ton FT2 kai poronetai me trance. Afti tin stigmi den exei xrono, alla ama pote grapsei kamia porotiki trancia tha exoume kati akoma na valoume sta demo mas.. Tasos Marmaras -------------- Ti ginetai esy me to coding? Ama axiotho pote na dokimaso kana enallaktiko Linux esena tha fonaxo :) Alla ta kataramena theloun poly disko kai to "Yper Diasimo" to Linux kai to BeOS! To BeOS pos sto dyalo pali apo 45MB pou einai sympiesmeno na thelei 500 den to katalavaino.. Tora skeftomai na paro kana HD (Gia na ton exo na to Gemizo me GBs apo Demos, Modules kai MP3 :) kai na dokimaso na valoke ta dio ta rimadia! Etsi gia na exo kai mia idea (Exo na do ke kati BeOS kai Linux demos :) an kai ta Linux ta exo dei, mia ke ta kalytera einai tu Skal pistevo ke ta exo dei stis DOS ke Win ekdoseis :) Thoukididis ----------- Ax kai na xeres possa pragmata exo kai posa oneira exo na ekpliroso! Agxothika na telioso to Qbdemo kai exo 5 fores perissotera gia meta (Alla eftyxos poly perissotero deadline kai parea gia na mirastoume ti douleia, kai isxyroteri pisti se afto pou kano) Exo na se doso voithia gia na paris bros sto coding. Sou efxome na gineis enas poly kalos game developer, kai tha se voithiso ego se afto (Exo kai ta atima ta deadlines re na pari omos!) Tha ta xanapoume! Tony ---- Para ligo na se xehaso kai pali esena sta greets! :) Dipla sta nea Gardening parties eisai tyxerakia :) Elpizo i sxoli na paei kala kai na synithiseis ta paloukia :) Exo kala nea apo tin skini! H mailing list exei kinisi kai aname- nonte kai exelixis Filoi stin Thes/ niki pou asxolu- maste kai alles istories! Xehasa na sas po oti kai o Tony einai enas apo tous filous mu pou yparxei pithanotita na asxolithei mazi mu demomaking sto group mas mazi me ta alla paidia, otan vri ton xrono kai to kouragio.. Panos Livitsanos ---------------- Se xehasa esena file mou! Tha teliono me to rimadi to qbdemo kai tha se paro tilefono (Are demo ti mas kanei! Den to metaniono omos pou apokopika gia 1-2 mines logo computer dreams! Ti simasia exei? Ekana afto pou ithela! Opos leei kai to Strange: Xehasa ti leei to Strange-Egnarts:( O Panos einai stin idia sxoli me emena kai me vrike apo to PCM Forum. Axiothikame 3-4 fores na tilefoni- sume gia na pame gia kana kafe na gnoristoume kai apotyxame na verthoume, (Kala ego elipa sto uni (Fysika gia Internet(Really!) Tha ta xanapume Meta to Qbasic demo peftun dyo,5 pragmata:Exetaseis kai oti ixa afisei piso,. filous, ypoxreoseis,klp.. Mono apo to net den tha polylipo. Opote ta axiotho na se paro phone.. Parakato.. John Drositis ------------- Esy eixes xana valei 3&1/2 Drive ston CPC giati se porosa me tin idea Den xero ama tyxei na beis sto site mou kai na katevaseis afto to demo alla se email pou sou esteila den peira mia esto mikri apantisi. Elpizo na min exeis allaxei mail giati tora den boro na se vro.. Exo polla nea, an endiaferesai gia demoscene akoma gera, edo eimai.. Spyros Pantelis --------------- Ta idia tha elega kai se esena Eiste i idia periptosi, sas vrika tin idia epoxi, thelate na sas deixo kati apo demoscene i CPC, i kapos etsi... Kai esy den mou apantises, ke sena to mail su bori na alaxe giati eixa poly kairo na sou grapso,. (Btw. ego den goustaro na alazo email, giati ginontai tetoies istories, prepei na metafero adresses, oute web provider den mou aresei na alazo (Ante na metaferis apo ekei allou:P an kai afti ti fora tha xreiastei na metafero epidi exo filaraki(a :) me unlimited xoro!) Mia zoi eimai mkargas@hotmail.com (Sorry gia to bug :) kai den tha to allaxo gia poly kairo, kalo einai alloste!) Ego pantos ime sta high me ta computerika, dil. zoria exo, alla ta oneira mou tha arxizontai na ginontai olo kai pio poly reality! Xeperno ta ebodia i isos symvivazome en meri,. alla i poria mou,o skopos mou einai diage- grammeni! Kai afto to demo ena mikro oneiro einai kai epitelus to ekplirosa.. Xeperno ta ebodia i isos symvivazome en meri,. alla i poria mou,o skopos mou einai diage- grammeni! Kai a... (Na pos peripou einai to bug pu elega! Popo gyftia!!! =) 2 anagnostes apo To RAM ---------------- Prote mou file. Elpizo na etrexes to Second Reality Apantisi den pira meta apo sena alla den peirazei File mou devtere (Nomizo pos sta email su ypografis os Pet Tep alla den boro na to thimitho tora.) Den thimame ama su ixa steilei gia subscribe stin mailing list tis grdemoscene, alla tha sou xanagrapso Exeis greetings ke Apo emena.. Episis greeting pernun kai 3 akoma atoma pou den thimame. O Enas itan enas Cascada fan, o allos mou eixe grapsei epidi diavase to arthro mou (Ama einai etsi tote greets pernoun kai ta pedia pou sto PCM grafane oti diava- sane to arthro mu kai o enas itan palios Amigas, o allos raytracas alla telos panton to exo xeskisei sta greetings!) Gia na telionume Greeting stelno ston Kyriako Xalkopoulo. Poia einai i fasi me afton?Oti katarxin xathikame apo to Gymnasio(Na Vlaka Optimus! Eisai enas antikinonikos typos kolimenos me ta computers kai exases ton filo su giati isoun koli- menos kai pigenes 1 fora to examino spiti tou kai Ebenes,den evgenes Optimus: Den xeris file mou tipota, kaneis den xeri.. :) Kai poy lete o Kyriakos itan o protos Computer Friend kai eixame Amstrad eno aftos pire Amiga. Demos den eixa dei tote kai parolo pou ixe Amiga, den thimame na ixere ta demos i na mou eixe dixi kati.. Me afton xatikame pantos eixa anixi ton tilefoniko katalogo kai epsaxna gia Xalko- poulous ke egrapsa mia arada apo tilefona. Dokimasa ta panta, tipota.. Xanavrika enan pio kainourio tilefoniko katalogo kai kategrapsa merika kenuria phones ta opoia den exo axiothei akoma na dokimaso :P Tha to kano, alla ama xeri kaneis sas kanan Kyriako Xalkopoulo pou itan palia Eliniko Kollegio kai meta perase American College(Anatolia) edo Thessaloniki as mou grapsei kana email.. Ti na kanei arage tora? Se kana uni stin USA na einai? Who knows... ------------------ Ok,. now I will continue writting in English because the non Greek people might be tired and because I will continue with some greets to nonGreek people too. Although I still have to greet some people from the greek scene but I will do this in English too! Ok, let's go! People from the Greek Demoscene and from my Greek Demoscene Mailing List too! ================= Kthulu/Nextempire aka Amoivikos/ASD ----------------- Hallo Again! Thank you for your lovely Greet in the pic you have drawn! It was nice to meet you too.. I really work as much as I can on computers (This means TOO Much :) and this is what I love to do. I have choosed it and I am sure about that (Oh,. and I have learned not to regret about what I have choosen to do! :) I have found many times myself talking with other people who advise me that it is not that good to give most of your life for computers and other hobbies and leaving the most important things of your life.. (I am wondering who defines which are the most important stuff of someones life :) It's just funny for me, when I always hear all these, especially when I have heard from people inside the demoscene and they were telling them to me! It's just funny! I do not have anything negative with your criticism and to tell you the truth it gave me more power to continue with my dreams :) (Well,. it's a strange phenomenon an Antifasis I could say, but I am stopping here because,. I am again out of the subject which is The Greetings! :) Anyway,. nice to meet you here in Thessaloniki, next time I want to meet Kaotic too and I will bring Nuclear too the next time we will meet. I also like that you still paint pics for many parties that guys of Nextempire happen to visit and in every big party I see a contribution of your pics! I send my greetings to Kaotic too! Emc/Deus -------- Design! I wan't say nothing more! This word says everything I have in my head about u and your group! Even your emails have great design :) What I mean? I don't know but they are funny to read, with humour :) I even learned 2 words from you (Kai tis kolisa! :)) Tricky ke Pathetic Xexe! Panta kolao ekfraseis apo filous mou.. (Etsi den einai Petro? :) Mot/Deus -------- Hallo you too! I don't know if I have anything to say to you in my mind so I will continue by greeting the group Deus general DEUS ---- Ok, I got it now. You are from the groups that do a lot of work, spend lot's of months just for one demo,. while other people just connect some fx at the final day on the partiplace, or claim to have worked for a demo e.g. for 1 month or week.. You watch even the last detail on your demos, your design remind me of the Amiga demos and with you the democoding seems like a science! I have felt your secret, I have also unter- stood what makes the Amiga Demos looking so neat! It's good that there is one group in Greece which left something that can also rock the international demoscene.. I hope for more Greek groups like you! (Us? We are still newbies! It is a hard task but I will see what I will do :) Navis/ASD --------- The funny with you is that you didn't even had your own demos and you found them in my webpage :) Good luck with your Computer Graphics Studies.. Optimize! That's what I like to see in the future too! First, let's greet few members of my group and then I will continue with more greets to greek sceners and people from my mailing list.. Bad Sector ---------- Se afisa se anamoni :) I must go with Nuclear and find you on IRC so that we can talk about the future of our group.. I haven't seen your emulator yet, nor some other programms you have in your new page.. What else to say? I think that we will say the rest through email.. Nuclear ------- It was amazing that I found some one obsessed with democoding in the city I live so that we can code something together and have some fun! Nuclear has found me on the C.S.I.P.D. newsgroups and we are talking too much on the email and I discoverd that he was from Thessaloniki too! The fun is that he was from the old Forums of a site called Adventure Magic and when I told him my nickname I was using in that Forum, he was amazed! "Wow! You are APAITHSHS!!!" (What for a silly nickname I was using :) Anyway, he is the second (except me) person in my group who already has something to show me from demo coding,. and the first one in the same city with me! I want more Freaks in my Country god damn! :) Ok, ok.. enough! Let's go to the other greetings because I am anxious that I will not even finish the greets until the deadline Btw,. it seems that there are some other fucking problems I just encountered on Qb with so big progs like "module level code too large" or "Out of Memory" (This seems more simple, but it is much more sad..) Ok, let's continue giati den me perni Jocker ------ Thanks for the photos of Gar9597 I am just waiting for some descriptions whenever you can. Night ----- Akoma den axiothika na valo to Scenial diskmag sto site mou :), i mallon to evala alla mono stin Greek Section tis selidas mou oso thimame.. ARYOS ----- I Renne 'O Conor einai koukla :) Stin Kriti menis? Hmm.. exei skini ekei kato? Sygxaritiria pou kerdises ston diagonismo web- master! Elpizo na eidothoume se kana Gardening... Amusic ------ Thanks for joining my mailing list too! I don't know how easy is to bring the greek scene back, but I will continue my tries. It's just that I want to see other active scene people and a party here in Greece so that I can find people who love demos like me and have fun! At least the mailing list seemed to me to have some success and I see positive the whole thing.. Daremon ------- Hail to you too! Brainwave was nice to read! Budha ----- I hail tha mighty Budha! I am glad you talked to the other guys to put a demo compo on Houmf and it seems to have few but cool contributions too! I hope we will meet in Gardening or Houmf too! I hope you have big success starting up with democoding. Amigean Descendants ----------- Did you got my email? I don't know what happened but you are not registered in the mailing list. But why I am writting all these? Until this demo will be released, we may have contacted each other.. I greet also all the other members of the grdemoscene mailing list! We must be right now 18 subscribers.. Ouff,. I think that the greetings to the greek scene people are over.. Let's go on, because I think that I will not even catch up to finish the demo until the deadline (The me pairnei Reeee!!!) We are going on with the CPC scene Greetings! Antitec Dirty Minds ----------- What to say? I see you everyday in the gas station What more can I tell you when I always come from there and tell you my news? I just tell you that the 1st cooperation beetween us to optimize my plasma was fun, because everyday you were phoning me and you were telling:"Come right now on my home! I optimized the plasma more!" And it was also cool because I have learned a lot and I can't wait that we release the stuff we have made. Ohh,.. we have also Ovation6 ! Shit... I shall write 1 article per week.. Now I said OV6, I think I will have to greet REX! REX of Dirty Minds and BENG! ------------------ You didn't send me the infos I was asking you, but.. ..never mind! I hope that we will meet if I go Erlangen meeting.. Another World ------------- Sorry, but REX didn't send me the Infos :) I hope that you have released your mag and you are not still waiting for my article :) Eliot/Benediction ----------------- Your demo WACWE is very nice! Haven't Mermaid answered you yet? Hmm,.. she is a very busy girl.. I have seen your entry in Pouet too I have just found the time to see and register in www.pouet.net and it rocks because you can add demos from every machine out there! I will have to go and add some CPC demos. Well, I want to add some of my favorite C64 and Spectrum Demos too also some Gameboy and Amiga,. well actually everythin because there are still some cool demos that are not in the list yet.. (So I will be the happy owner of millions of Glops! Pouet Rulez! :) It's sad that Mermaid didn't answered you, because this would be just a good opportunity to see her in CPC. But she must be very busy with her C64. Hmm,. C64! I was always arguing why CPC has not so good demos like C64. I am very interested in coding something for the C64 in the future, just to try a diferrent machine and see how the hell they can do such miracles on this machine.. And I am very interested too because this scene really rocks! (And because I want to surpass Graham too!!! Wow, baby! What a challenge! :) As for my plasmas on CPC perhaps we will release something.Actually we already have released a preview of plasmas but you must have seen it already, now I am thinking it.. Perhaps we will release something more official, perhaps Peter will try to code a fire effect too,perhaps I will try to find time to optimize my block engine, (Actually I had to write it from scratch :P) and perhaps I will try some Feedback fx (Like Winamp or something), my own fire, blur and other stuff I will think,always using my block engine.. I am a fan of big demos and not small releases, but small releases are good to show that the scene is active as you said Perhaps I can code with my current fx and block engine a small demo with 3-4 effects, like RTS for example. That kind of small release,. more big than only 1 part, less big than Ecole Buissoniere but still few cool new effects in it! As I see the whole think, we will release Peter fx with normal pixels (And not huge blocks like mine! Ahh,. C64 :) and later I will release my own versions among with 2-3-4 other fx.. And we have to finish OV6 too :P Ok, enough! I have spended lot's of Greetings pages for you. I hope that I don't have so many things to say to the other guys... Roudoudou --------- I have seen your CPC Scene page and it's a neat idea! I haven't registered in your site yet, because 1st) I had a lot of works and I was forgeting it all the time and 2nd) I want first to move the files of my CPC scene in another address and after that to register (Actually I want to move the files on another directory on Fortunecity..) You will tell me that I can choose the current link of my CPC demopage and when I change the address I contact you and you change the URL redirection.. You are right, so it must be the 1st reason (Busy :) Btw,. I just went on your site after a long time and I was shocked! Actually, before I could take a breath, a smooth rotating tunnel poped in front of the screen! :) Damn,. I want to start with some Java too! It's great to decoreate your site with beautifull fx! What else? I just wan't to see your codings on a CPC demo oneday.. Don't tell me that the CPC tunel you have coded is similar to the Java! And read my article on HUGI21 :) Beb/Overlanders --------------- You gfx are great! Thanks for tha Hacks! I have a lot of time to update the CPC Demoscene page but it isn't dead! I am catching work on it after January or perhaps February, but I will just update it with some news to show that it is alive.. I haven't sent you the previews of the plasmas I have coded with Peter,. but I will put some news on my site too.. it with some news to show that it is alive.. Hmm,. I have a long time since I last visited the Overlanders site. Madram/Overlanders ------------------ Hallo Master! Bring us more cool software demos! I can say that with your big demo you filled the gap that existed on the CPC scene. You rocked the CPC scene with an innovative release out of nothing! Peter and I want to try to code some software effects and try to surpass you! Beware of the Dirty Minds :) For me you are now Graham of CPC! (As I love to say. Beelow in the Greetings you can find who the hell Graham is :) Targhan/Arkos ------------- What to say? Your articles on Demoniak are very good. Thanks again for the Asm tuts.. Orphee/Arkos ------------ I hope I gave you enough power to continue your Demoizart demo. I have sent you an email but I did not got an answer! You said me that there was a problm with my email when you were trying to send me email. I hope that the email I send you, came to your mailbox, and it's not a fucking problem and you didn't got nothing from me.. Perhaps that was the reason because I wasn't getting an answer from you many other times? This sucks! Being not able to contact because of email problems and not even knowing if someone else hasn't answered you because he did not wanted, or because of a problem... Anyway,. I think we will find a sollution and we will succed finaly to contact each ohter... I hope good work on your demo called DemoIzArt and update your page(The same for my own page :) FgBrain/Chaos ------------- What's going on with Chaos? I hope if you still have fun coding on CPC, to continue.. I still buy Strange-Egnarts. The Dead CPC Scene ------------------ Chaos, S.O.B. It's sad that all of your guys are dead :( Especially sad when a new founded group called SOB did nothing out something while it would be cool to have a 3rd CPC group on Greece.. I hope you will find your courage and will to finish anything you have left on CPC coding Is any of you interested in PC demoscene, coding or anything else in your computer future??? Just let me know. I am curious what the future plans of the old CPC freaks are... Some other CPC People I forgot to greet: Jack the RTS coder ------------------ I am waiting something new from you pal! It's cool to see new blood an such a small scene coming out of nothing! NWC --- I have seen again your Unique demo and it rocks! I am still trying to think how the hell have you done so big sine scrollers! (But I am thinking I am getting it slowly, slowly :) I still haven't seen your old fame hardware demos.. Prodatron --------- Your site is great! I hadn't seen the Digital Orgasm demo before but it shocked me 1st) Because of the amazing 3d Liseazeau figures (I don't know how the shit Liseazeau is written, so do not blame me :) 2nd) Because the same part contains a special music which is a conversion of one of my favorite PC Modules I have downloaded from Hornet, called: "Space Debris" I have discover many conversions of various musics to CPC. I was listening to some tunes from Jogeir while I said to myself:"Hey, man isn't that the music from Unique Demo?!" I have discovered two Jogeir's musics in Unique demo. Fun! Welcome Back 2 CPC! Kev Thacker ----------- I hope that you finish the 2 CPC+ Demos. I have tested the idea of the rotozoomer algorithm on Qbasic. I made it work but it is innacurate, but I will think what I am doing wrong.. The rotozoomer version in this demo uses the old algorithm of mine which is very slow for CPC I think.. I will try to code it from scratch in qbasic so that I can understand what is going on and pass it on CPC(Although Peter has his own idea for roto- zoomer and it will be cool and fast if it works!) I also have some other ideas for optimizng a roto- zoomer much more and I hope to find the time to try them (Always in Qbasic first cause it's easier to debug and see how things work and then I will port it to CPC..) It's funny how many diferrent ideas and optimize algorithms there can be! How much cool tricks can someone find to optimize an algorithm. Kev's rotozooming algo uses only adds and some precalculated tables, very good for rotozoomers in old machines.. Simon Lucas ----------- How are you? As I remember, Peter said me that you send us some music for our diskmag. I haven't heard them yet, but thanks. (Forgot to tell Peter to give me hear the musics you have sent us. I just remember that when I wrote this greeting.. It's nice to talk also with people from the English scene.. I use a bug/my own error with double pages to send few more CPC Greets! Hallo 2 Overflow Jammet, Futuresoft Damn,. I was 2 crazy with greets! (I am correcting some lame things now for the final version of this Qb Demo..) Date I corrected these texts: 22/01/2001 :) Now I should greet some People from the Demoscene General.. But I think I will change a little the way of the greetings. I will not write too much for each guy, except the important greets because as slow as I go this, I think that I will write the note for a final version and not for a version for the Qlympics compo :P If I continue so crazy with this note, there willbe no demo,but a note on the compo :P To The PC Scene --------------- - Exceed for"Spot" and "Heaven7" - Aardbei for "Please the Cookie Thing" - F.A.N. for "Nature Suxx" - Popsy Team for "VIP2" - Condense for "Dash" and "Frestyle" - Oror Media for "Faded" (I liked very much this :) - Smash Designs for "Sleepless" - Orion for many nice demos with great art I have to see and didn't (Actually I must have seen them but I don't have a 3d card to watch them at home..) - Savage and another Spanish group I don't remember for their great musicdisc called Dark Rituals.. - Digital Murder for "A touch of funk" - Damn,.. I can't remember other, so I will greet few people from the scene.. Rac of Digital Underground -------------- Thanks for the Gameboy coding links. Although everything I have downloaded were deleted in by an accident, so I will have to download them again. Afteralls I don't think I will have time for gmb coding for now. Although I have succes on CPC Asm! I have coded some really nice plasma effects and I will send you a preview if I don't forget it.. Cer of Digital Underground -------------- Hallo to you! I don't really know what's going with your group on the scene, perhaps I should check again your page.. Ok,. give me my greets to Volker! I forgot to greet him before, so I can do it right here! Hey Volker, what do you say about this demo? Things have changed the last time you came here Things on me, I mean :) On my coding knowledge and on my life general :) I will just write you an email to you if I remember (God damn it's really funny how much things I have to do and I was just fighting to finish a demo now,. imagine what will happen later with my lot's of projects! But I still enjoy it :) People from C64 =============== Graham ------ What can I say about you Master! I am wondering how da hell can you do all these wonder- full codings on C64 with 1mhz (Much slower than CPC, but I know that C64 has some hardware technique that may help you) Big pixels sucks! Thank you for answering to my emails, it's better late than no answer at all! I have finally seen the webpage of Oxyron but there are no links to download your productions, but I will search for them on the net.. Congratulations to TTS for Nature Suxx demo! They rocked the scene on optimizing! At least that's what I want to see 1st on the scene (Of course design is very important but a slow demo with wireframes doesn't look any good to me, while a fast with just effects showing counts more for me..) I am waiting for more more codings! Greets to C64 groups ============= - Oxyron for "Oneder", "Parts" "Dawnfall" and Graham codings :) - Coma&Resource for "Void" - Taboo for Altered States 50% - Smash Designs for many cool demos I don't remember their names now.. - Crest for "Deus Ex Machina" - Plush for their demo on MS2K compo I don't remember the name and it is not easy to see it from an emulator.. - I stop here.. The next will come in new greets.. - I just have to catch up to finish this shit.. Greetings goes to: - Oxygene for the great Atari demos and the Java Page! I see that you were doing nice job on the PC too! Hmm,. I forgot to greet a guy from the CPC mailing list: Berri of S!P as I remember. You must have seen "Deus Ex Machine" from Crest, haven't you? (Now That's Zoooming!!! :) Let's go on.. You see that the greets are a little confused, I am to anxious now to run them fast and that's not good because I will forget many people.. It seems that I will not even catch up to finish this demo except if I leave some of my writtings out for a final version... I keep removing and removing stuff to catch up with the deadline. This is lame! I feel a little weird, a little sad, but I am still fighting to finish this shit.. I know that it will good even if it will not be exactly what I was planning.. For me it will not be, but for the Qbasic scene it will be still very cool! That makes me still to want to finish it and give it for Qlympics.. Btw,. I need a hope, I need some faith, I need some more belief in my doings! I need something to give me courage.. I just thought of my cure now! It is so easy! I will just sit and write the greetings to the computer girls I have met out there!!! :) A great way to give me courage to continue :) I am happy now :) Mermaid/Lot'sa Various groups like Creators, Crest, Scoopex and many many other! (Hopefully a CPC group here too :) ================== Amazing! Just Amazing! Probably the most creative girl I have ever met! Thanks for your really nice emails, I keep them in my HD for ever! I hope that you will find a CPC and join the scene soon! You are doing too much work, I hope that you catch up with most of your computer dreams, because I also have lot's of creative dreams on my mind now I am more and more inside in the scene, and I am always anxious if I will finish on time my computer projects, and I am just thinking of u to get courage.. :) It's amazing! How much things you have to finish in a short period of time.. You must be very busy.. It's the same for me now, especially after January or February (I will do a pause after Xmas for my exams) I am just wondering if I can catch up with my lot's of dreams.. I am wondering if u succeed with that, or if many of your projects stop because of lack of time.. What else can I say? Continue doing what you love to do! Go On Mermaid! :) Hmm,.. that's better! Now I can continue with more courage to greet the other Ladies out there! Let's move on! Eugenia ------- Thanks for your beautifull emails :) I keep them too like Mermaid's one What to say 1st? I haven't tried BeOS yet, but I will do this when will buy a new HD. I have a CD with free BeOS5, both from RAM and PC Master. As for my own news. Yes,. I know Qbasic is a past! You don't need to tell this to me! :) I have tried learning some asm on CPC with my friend Peter from Dirty Minds and I am getting better. Even if it still seems hard to get used, I beleive that with my will I will succeed on learning better Assembly. Peter will try some code on the PC too, so he can help me on PC assembly too.. Anyway,.the fact is that I don't give up and I am starting more and more to make my computer dreams to reality.. Slow but still moving.. What else to say? I wanted too much to say but I forgot them! The anxiety to finish these greetings kills me.. But I have faith :) So, let's go on! Terry Lampoudi -------------- You didn't answered to my last email(s), but never mind, I was writting and asking too much stuff, so.. I just hope that you have seen the demos from the links I have sent you.. Miss Saigon ----------- "I used to have a life, now I have a computer and a modem!" :) Hehe,.. this quote is fun! The girl with the fractal poster :) I liked some of your modules a lot and they helped me finish my qbdemo :) I hope to see back in the scene in the future (Perhaps we will meet on a future Assembly party) Mad/Overlanders --------------- I don't know you but I would like to see some CPC codings from you when you will find the time and the courage! :) Bezalel ------- It's just fun to buy a new PCMaster and to see your name in the more serious articles while all the boys write articles about Quake3 and Diablo2 :) I have put your photo on my FCE page among with other fave girls :) I will get to work with this (Among with all my other trillion projects :) page after February.. Perhaps the page is hard to be updated, but it will never die! You are wondering when I will catch up with such a big page? Just look how crazy I am with my computer projects I have and how many times I have talked about all these here! What am I? A Machine? :) I am just a crazy Computer Freak.. Really Crazy! :) Clemensa aka Sarah ------------------ I had found you on an older Qbasic site. You said that you code C and not Qbasic and you were hoping to find more coding girls around! That's exactly what I am hoping too :) But I don't know anything more about you.The site was changed and your nickname was not anymore there! Lisa Moore ---------- I just want to kick the ass of your really hard WAD in Ultra Violence and send the demo to Doomworld, but it is a really hard task and I also don't even have time for games right now... You must have put too much courage to finish "Soldier of Fortune" Zoi Masen --------- Ena greeting apo emena gia esena sto demo mou :) Zoi is the first girl in my country I show her some demos and she liked them! but I don't remember to have showed demos to many other girls on my country and generall.. Maybe I should start doing this more in the future :) Short greetings coming right now: - Joanna for the thread you have started on PCM Forum - Hydrogenia - Jina Vidali aka Brain. Thimame pu su eixa steilei mia selida me poly Antimicrosoft fun kai esy eixes vali apo afta mono ena me enan arxaio pigouino Linux eno I selida eixe pola perissotera.. Exo kairo na bo.. - I Maria pou ithele na kano Voodoo sto kinito tou filou tis giati me eixe vrei sto Hack-gr: Den exo kinito kardia mou :) Elpizo na se voithisa me tis diefthinseis ton IEK pou se estelna alla den mou estiles email na mu pis ena fxarsto ton amoiro (Plaka kano :) Ok, it's over.. I wish I haven't forgot any other ladies! (Well actually there are some others that remain in my mind too, but these will come in a future demo..) I will continue now greeting some other people I forgot: - Dire and Ghandy of Scenet: I will continue with Scenet as much as I can. When I will start as an editor? Send me also the photos from Amiga girls :) - Adok of HUGI Hugi is great! I am waiting for HUGI21.. - Ojuice people Your site rocks! - Calodox too! - Well, If I want to greet some sites too, the list would be huge - People from C.S.I.P.D. I may forgot.. - Hey! I decided to end the greets giati den me perni So, I will send very brief the fnl Grets(shame on me) PCM Forum, Vantor aka SARK SAT, Wolfspirit,... God Damn! I want more! No, I will not do this,I will not kill the greetings!!! So, I will continue them normally tommorow I will regreet the people which I was going to greet briefly,.. I have to greet some people from PCM and some people I forgot... Good Night! Good Morning! :) It's cold in the morning these days I am trembbling from the lame cold and I was thinking of my strange comp life where I want to do too much and I miss the deadlines (To tell you the truth it's the first (Almost :) time I have felt this thing because I spent many times on the computer for almost a month but I still had the fear not to catch up to release this thing or at least if I released it would be very shitty (I really don't know which will be the end of this story and I am in agony! I even hope to be able to release something with at least the best of my codings..) And I am just thinking the time after my exams where I will have too many things to do which I will write you to the "Other" Section just to see how crazy and unrealistic freak I want to be! Btw,. I will cut off the "Tech" and the "Other" section because I will miss the deadline :P But these sections will appear in a final version! After Qlympics compos are to the end and the final results will be seen, there will be an URL to down load the final version of my demo I will give you the Url also in the readme file of this demo... So, until the Qlympics end, I will work a little writting the final texts (I have the idea that these are the most important peace of my demo for me, the messages I wanted to pass through this demo :) Ok, I will go on with the final greets I didn't want to cut off because of deadline.. Let's continue with people from the PC Master and the PCM Forum.. Vantor aka SARKSAT ------------------ Thanks for letting me write the article! From the article I met few old and newbie demoscene people like Kthulu or Bad Sector.. And even more people must have had an idea of what the demoscene is. The new demoscene article was also nice to read, talking from a diferrent corner how the demoscene evolved the game industry,. and it was also mentionin Amiga demos which I hadn't seen before I wrote my own article, and few people where not so pleased because I didn't mentioned the Amiga Demos where everything had started as they say :) But now this article filled the Gap I have left.. I am just waiting to see how the new version of PCM will look.. John Patrikos ------------- Hallo Master! Thanks for putting my letter on "METAXY MAS"! Wow, I have for the 1st time a letter on this wonderfull collumn! (I hope that collumn is the right translation for what I wanted to say :) What else to say? Pyramidoid emails suxx! If I get rid of all my crazy projects on my unrealistic computer life, I will have to think a special project about these mails too! (Min fovase den dagonei to project, dreams einai,.. kai ta real dreams einai elefthera kai den dagonoun kanenan! :) Goofy ----- Min tous akous reee! Min tous fovase! Xypna re! Sou klevune ta oneira! Min afinis na se vasanizoun! Des ta oneira sou re kai peta exo apo edo!!! Sou klevune ta oneira kai esy koimase! Xexe,.. na se kala :) Amilitos -------- Greet kai se sena! Den vrikes kamia selida gia to perifimo Ghost In the Machine, vrikes? Anyway.. Kali synexia stin @milita page Antiorthodox ------------ Kathe fora pou vlepo minima sou to diavazo me agonia giati eimai periergos na do pia tha einai I Diki sou apantisi! Isos epidi xero oti analyeis se pio megalo vathos kapoio thema kai exeis kati pio diaforetiko kai endiaferon na peis alla kai epeidi kratas afti tin iremi stasi xoris na ginesai fanatikos kai me orthologiki skepsi kai epixirimata.. Einai entyposiako kai exei panta endiaferon gia mena pia tha einai i dikia sou apantisi.. (Min griniazete oi alloi! Afto den simainei oti agnoo tis dikies sas apantiseis :) WolfSpirit ---------- Xaireto ton ena apo tous treis Lykous! Aplos se thimithika apo to message sto Forum pou mou eipes oti moiazoume :) Se thimomoun ke apo pio prin giati ta eixes valei me ton Stefano pou prospathouse na mas orisei pos tin zoune tin zoi, kai oti kai emeis etsi prepei na tin zume pos tis rixnoume tis gomenes(lol) kai pos pianoume tin zoi apo ta kerata kai tin roufame! (Axx,.. na ixeres re Stefane pos tin zo ego tin zoi, oti kai ego tin rufao, poso simasia exei gia emena na ziso gia na ekpliroso ta oneira mou, poso gematos zoi niotho ores ores, poso poly thelo na doso maxi stin zoi enantia sto kate- stimeno pou orizei pia tha einai i real life, ke maxi gia na ekpliroso Ta Dika Mou Oneira oso kai an afta syndeontai me ton ypologisti ke esy ta theoreis pseftika kai ilektrismena kai omos einai ta dika mou oneira kai ego ta niotho.. (Kai min syndeeis to plastiko ke ton ilektrismo me to oti den eine onira krivoun apo piso mia anthropini fisi. Perpatousa sto dromo kai skeftomouna ( I mallon milousa me ton eafto mou :) to posi entasi, agona pathos , oneira ke elpida exei i diki mou zoi! Ego den amfisvito ta dika sou oneira.. Kales einai oi voltes me tin mixani kai ta gomenakia, kai elpizo oti kaneis afto pou sou aresi ta dika sou oneira Quest For Freedom :) Sorry pou para- sirthika apo ta grafomena, alla etsi egrapsa kai kapoio message gia ton filo Stefano.. Sorry episis tora pou to thimithika gia to poly megalo message sto thred: "Thelete na asxo- lounte perissote- res kopeles me HY" pou eixa grapsei kai mou fenete sxedon jaba tha to egrafa giati paraitan megalo ke dyskola tha katise na ton diavasei kaneis ektos kai ama ton endiefere para poly to thema LownMower Man ------------- Nomizo oti sou ofilo ena greeting kai esena.Den xero ama pragmatika eprepe na asxolito me tin ypothesi su alla den to meta- niono. Exo kai alles fores pou athela mou borei na stenoxorisa anthropous eite blekontas ekei pu den me spernei ite pragmatika xoris na to thelo, ite emesa, ite pio amesa. Den eprepe na asxolitho giati de me aforouse alla stin arxi esy mou to zitises.. Alla opos eipes kai meta, ego asxoloumouna me tin ypothesi ite gia aftoprovoli, ite gia na pexo.. Nai isos den ta eprepe na asxolito katholou.. Den xero pragmatika giati asxolithika kai den xero ti allo na po.. Prospathise na kaneis pio irema ton agona sou sto mellon.. Na eisai kala.. WinterMute ---------- Ti kaneis esy re maga? To PCM exi kanei kalo agona kata tis piratias kai eisai katazitoumenos :) Pou einai ta kala sou asteia gia Need For Speed se 286? :) Afti if frasi pantos mou exei minei otan thelo na diloso tin porosi kapoiou na kanei kana trelo Optimize :) Tha doume kai mia mera Need For Speed trela optimized (An kai ego eimai fanatic twn doomclones :) Arkei na vrethei kapoios (Poios?) Trelos na to kanei Xexe... Btw,. elpizo oli afti i epanastates pou lene:"To Need For Speed gia 286" na piasoun mia mera kodika gia na apodeixoun ta oneira tous.. (Einai kai dika mou oneira pantos opote and den to doume apo kapoion allo, tha to vgalo ego.. (Entaxi isos oxi se 286 alla se 486 Nai, ase pou ego thelo to Quake giati einai pio agapimeno mou apo to NFS :) Zatrikios --------- Ti ginetai re maga esy? Atomo pu diadideis psevdeis eidiseis :) Mou prokali endiaferon i prosopikotita su giati isoun ligo treloutsikos kai stin arxi fenosoun enoxlitikos me ta minimata sou.. Pantos na su po tin allithia mou thimises oligo ton antiorthodox se mia alli version.. Kai tha eixe poly endiaferon gia mena kamia logomaxia me ton antiorthodox kai esena etsi na do mia mera kathos beno sto Forum.. Lol,.. xekino erides ta mou pune Den xero, ego etsi niotho kai diavazo kai tis dikes su tis apantiseis me poly endiaferon.. Isos eisai enas antiorthodox alla dixneis exthrikos i enoxlitikos.. Entaxei ise, min me akous. Aplos afti einai i fasi i diaforetiki kai den boro na tin exigiso pio poly.. Enas typos pou ixe malosei me ton Bad Sector... ------------------ Eleges oti ixes programmatisei ena adventure se C64 assembly, alla den boro na xero ama einai allithia ama den to do.. Ego gia na dixo ston kosmo ti xero vgazo exo (Kai anypomono tora na vgalo epitelous afto to rimadi gia na deixo ta prota mou kala demo codings me agonia :) Vevaia, borei na min telioses to kodika akoma kai na min thes na vgaleis exo giati fovase kana RIP or something? Xero go Mou eixe aresi pou eipes oti emis tapsonia ginomaste megaloi sto mellon kai afto apla mu arese pu to ipes etsi kai eixes to tharos na to peis! Elpizo vevaia na min kolas tin lexi "psonio" me tin arrogance pu eixes ekei mesa i opoia den mu arese. (Are gamoto ola ta psonia kai ta freaks aftou tu kosmou na xalane eite epidi ginonte lamers ite epidi theloun na ginoun Hackers? (Ouxxx.. bixti stous xakers itan afti,. min me parete arnitika ke mou kanete mail- bombing :) Elpizo na dixis tin axia tou psoniou sou mia mera.. alla irema! (Btw,. tha xana psaxo sto Forum ja tin diamaxi sas.. Tetoiou eidous diamaxes den einai kales alla thelo na vro tin frasi pu eixes pei.. (Alla ti milao ego o ypokritis:P Kathomai kai xazevo tetoia flames giati exun plaka san aplos paratiritis rixnontas isos mono kapoia athoa akindyna sxolia.. (Vevaia apo tis xazes diamaxes sta Forums anakalipto to poso lame beeings eimaste.. "Our Lameness" opos to leo.. :) :) :) Nai se kala! Apognwsh -------- Mporeis na katalaveis tin apognwsh mou pou den tha prolavo afto to demo? Kala den einai anagei na katalaveis ta dika mou oneira.. Afta ta katalaveno mono ego kai isos ke ligoi akoma.. Xexe, aplos polles fores prospathousa na exigiso se filous mou ta oneira mou gyro apo afto to demo kai kyrios ta Sections me ta minimata pou ithela na peraso alla ixera oti den tha ta kataferna ke fysika den tous katigoro, afu dika mu einai ta oneira Telos panton, afta asxeta me ta dika sou greets aplos parasirthika Exei plaka pantos apo tin apognwsh na pairneis dinami gia na synexiseis, na erxontai olo ebodia kai na ta prospernas, na polemas me pathos kai otan niotheis apogoitevmenos na ginetai mia anti- fasi pou se kanei pio eftyxismeno.. Einai pragmata pou den boro na ta grapso edo ke prepei na ta skefto,. pantos osous paraxenous monologous kai an eixe afto to demo, oso kai an dixno oti fainomai agxomenos synexia gia ta computer projects kai tin trela mou kai mia glykia dystyxia i zoi exei plaka meta apo ola afta kai metatrepo tin dystyxia mou se eftyxia me akoma megalyterous agones kai oneira! (Afto mou thimise kati poy eixa diavasei se ena vivlio tou N.Dhmou"I Dystyxia tou na eisai Ellinas" opou tha prepei na to xana- diavaso pio prose- ktika xana kai mu arese to proto kefalaio pou itan kathara filosofiko gia tin Dystyxia tu na eisai anthropos kai to pos theloume na ftanoume synexia psilotera xoris na imaste sattisfied, gia tin mateodoxia i gia to pos to na eisai dystyxisme- nos simainei oti eisai kai eftyxi- smenos,. afti i Antifasi! Telos panton,. prepei na synexiso aplos afta pou egrafe o Dimou mou thimizan kapos tin diki mou peri- ptosi kai opos katalavate afti i eftyxia pou vgeni apo afti tin anti- fasi, einai afti i dynami pou me kani na synexiso.. I toulaxiston etsi nomizo, den xero... Etsi loipon to thimithika kai tha steilo kai ena Greeting ston N. Dhmou ke efxaristo pou mou evales to gramma gia tin demoscene sto RAM stin stili sou.. Tha se diavazo me endiaferon kai exei fasi to poso irema kai orthologika tous apantas tous fana- tikous kai aftoi eknevrizontai eno esy meneis cool ke sostos! Tha eprepe na mathei kaneis polla apo sena.. Pragmatika gelao pos eknevrizetai kaneis me to prosopo sou, alla esy fenaisai pio sostos apo aftous giati afti grinia- zoun eno esy ta vlepeis ola cool ke me epixirimata kai me poly iremia (Fover oplo! Tus eknevrizeis tous allous kai esy eisai anetos kai sostos!) Ti allo na po? Se kana coding tha se doume esena papouli? :) People that I forgot: - Girgos Dervas (Den se evala ego esena sta arxika greets aka se xehasa :) tha sou steilo kana email - Dbug (We wan't Oric!) - Snq(Xeretismata :) - Trixter (Thanks for the answer in the first emails.. I still haven't got an answer to the last email I have send you, but you must be very busy (263mails?) But I found the answers for the things I was askin so don't worry.. - Mario Topf (Oh,. I forgot to greet You! What a pity!) Thanks for your lovely emails :) Do whatever you dream on your life and fuck the others! I think I will write you a future email if I don't forget it... Exocet/JFF ---------- Deus are back! (almost :) I 'l send u an email about.. Strange Egnarts --------------- What can I say about your mag! It is not just a common mag about paranormal but it gave me and continue giving me philosophical thoughts about life and I am continuing to searching for new answers!Especially the philosophical, the thoughts and the answers to the s-mails! I also read the articles for fun, but I stay and read with interest your thoughts.. Needless to say that my favorite letter is the one where you were explaining to a girl about the lameness (Vlakia) and Freedom on our reality and especially were you said:"Don't try to be good! Don't try to be right! You should try to be Free!" You don't know how much the meening of this text rocked me! Ohh,. the answer you gave me to my letter rocked me too! I think that I shall discover new things forever I shall use the doubt as my main power.. But the smail about Lameness and Freedom was the motive to create my favoritest quote, which is actually a wish: Quest For Freedom :) I wanted to say too many to you through my emails but never found the time to write NeverMind.. I will read your magazine for a long time, even if the other people beleive that it is a lame commercial mag! (But why should I care? I learned and continue learning things through your mag, I gain something from this and I do not pay too much money for that! What if it is a mag where it's authors want's to gain money and they are liars? I really started doing some really interesting thoughts through your mag,.I gained something really special from that, and I continue learning and doubt... EEEA People ----------- I forgot to say hallo to you too! Your site is my favoritest Xavale site. Greetings to the girls there, like Voulariba and Sofia.. - Amadeus (I have forgoten you since the end of the Dinosaur epoch :) So, I just send you one greeting now so that you don't feel sad :) However I don't know if I will "axiotho" to send you an email.. So, I finish here with the greets.. As I have told you, I will write the other two sections that remained in a final version of this demo (This 1 is the compo ver.) The URL of my page is: HTTP:// WWW.FORTUNECITY. COM/SKYSCRAPER/ BLACK/791 There, in the "My Productions" section, you will find this demo.. But I will give you the URL to go immidiatelly there WWW.FORTUNECITY. COM/SKYSCRAPER/ BLACK/791/ ITFDEMO.HTM Yes, I just decided how I will name my demo :) but I have to say that it was in a haste because of dead line.The title is: INTO THE FIGHT ============== And remember! No matter how much pathetic this demo for me was (But for the Qbasic scene, I think it will be nice :), no matter if somehow I didn't succeed to do this demo as I wanted it to be, (Actually it's much patheticer from what I was thinking it and I always remove things to have it ready until the faqing deadline..) No matter if it seemed that I have lost a part of the fight, I will go on for higher skies, I will not give up the fight, I will continue with my dreams, I will find ways to give me more hope in what I am doing I am in the fight! My Own Life is a fight with dreams that I want to make reality! I think that after this demo I will give much harder fights and I have a lot more things to think.. Even in my next life I will choose a special role and I will be fighting for my diferrent dreams in the other life.. I forgot something important to tell: In the beginning I was thinking to name this demo with something that defined a change of seasons. A change on me (Well, I think that I always change,. but...) This demo was a change of a season for me, because I would show some of my 1st good code and after that I was going to start with C++ and other more serious stuff And after this period I will head for many many many serious projects, I will go for the 1st time in a demoparty, I will have a lot of cool work to do, I will show my first good CPC Codings,I will construct my web pages, I will meet lot's of new guys, I can't even write how much other nice things will happen now I entered with so much haste in the scene! It was a change of season in my life too,. but you will say me that my computer dreams are my life dreams and also that I always change.. And I will always say it in my prods I thought I gave you many clues about me in the lot's of text on the greetings,.. That's what I wanted to share! My thoughts. Even if this demo isn't what I wanted 2 be I shared with you my thoughts... I will stop right here... Download the final version from my page.. Quest For Freedom! Tech stuff ========== Date: 24/01/2001 Condition:My tooth hurts. (God damn!) I am writting few stuff for the final version of this demo inside exams. Actually I still don't work for my comp. projects in these days, only very rare. I only check my emails and some more pages on the internet. I just wanted to do few work, even to find few time for it in my exams, just to finish some things more soon than I was thinking (Yeah I learned what a deadline means doing this demo, but now I should fight by showing the antideadline! :) It's just that some small things I have planed for a time after my exams have finished inside my exams,or something like that.. But of course they are few and small, mostly works on the internet and also unexpected things. E.g. I have started working for the note of the final version of this demo in my exams, but just very few, I have corrected some texts from the old compo version and now I am writting the Tech&Other sections which were out of order in the compo version, because of deadline.. After the dead- line, with my mind beeing clear and away of anxiety, I was reading of what I was writing on these texts and it was just so funny! But,. anyway. I will speak about all these on the Other section. I have lot's of things to say.. I ate 8 pages for irrelevant with the Technical things :P I think I have to begin with the Credits. They are the most easy to write now (cause I didn't had any courage to write the new texts today. Perhaps it was the toothpain that didn't leave me to think what to write...) Credits ------- One person worked for the creation of this demo: Michael Kargas aka Optimus of Dirty Minds I shall write here my email and web page: mkargas@hotmail.com (Yeah,I know about the lame bug :P) Http://www.fortune city.com/skyscrape r/black/791 Code: In pure Qbasic. In my 1st qbdemo, "The poor Freak" (Yeah, that's me :) I was just using the commands of basic for pixels and sprites (Pset, Get Put, e.t.c..) Now I just poke in Vram which is much faster and easier! And that's the common way that democoders outputs on the screen of course.. Not with the ready commands I was using in my 1st Qbasic demo :P I will say you more about the fx in this section after I tell you very few things about the gfx.. So, the gfx. Few gfx, mostly fonts. Actually a set of 16*16 fonts and a 320*100 pic for the rotozoomer Let's finish 1st talking about the gfx on the rotozoomer, cause it's the only thing in this demo that it is not mine! I mean about the orange monster with blue hair :) This thing was made of paperboard and it was glued in the door of my big brothers room (Which is now mine because he is studying in Germany :) I can't avoid seeing this hairy orange-blue freak every day I wake up and move through the corridor to go for breakfast :) So, I thought that this thing would be very nice for a rotozoomer (Well, at the beginning I wanted also to put it in a distortion effect too, but.. So I scanned it! (Oh,. god! What a crime I have commited! Should I be shooted now? :) This peace of paperboard was supposed to be used as a mask if you make 2 holes in it's eyes and you attach some string too, you know.. I think that my brother got this thing from Tasty Chips or something like that.. Now about the fonts: The funny thing about all the story is that I ate too much time to draw these fonts (And also to make the intro, the writer and write the text! I will tell you later about..) much more time than connecting my fx for the demo! What I have done is: I made a simple programm in Qb which zooms a character to double, from 8*8 to 16*16 and then it saves this 16*16 font in a simple file which I control later from an old sprite editor, the same I was using for my old 0stdemo. Ok, I did the same for many fonts and then with my sprite editor, I was drawing above the font and doing antialiasing by hand, pixel per pixel! Because I was busy, many of the fonts where not exactly as I wanted them to be, some fonts where looking very diferrent than the others, some antialiasing was not good (Btw,. the antialiasing was pixeled on a white background, to use it in the Elitegroup-like intro in the beginning of the demo, and so in the end note it may not look that good in some of the fonts..) But the fonts still look not that bad! Btw,. I had seen that the Elitegroup intro should not look that good in 320*200 but it would be better to do it in a bigger resolution. Of course I didn't knew to work on another resolution than Screen13, so I couldn't change it. The only thing I did, was to change to 320*400 (Yeah, I learned about ModeX from Javier!) just to see how the fonts with the anti- alliasings would look like and they looked greater in a bigger video resolution! Of course I didn't even had the time to search how to control 320*400.. But now my plans are to redraw some of these fonts for a future use on high resolution.. What else can I say? Oh,. yes! They are 16*16 fonts using 16 colours out of 256 The fonts are proportional! There are some numbers and symbols too!!! The total number of the fonts is 85!!! Oh, hell! How much time I have spended drawing all these fonts? Btw,. there is a symbol I haven't used in the note yet! It is the heart (LOVE) (LOL! :) I don't remember why have I drawn this thing, perhaps I wanted to dedicate it to my FCE :) (Yeah,that is"Female Computer Entities"!!! :) LOL! At the beginning I was thinking to draw also a hand,a diskette or some other symbols but then I was wondering why I am loosing my time while I am anxious that I will not catch up the deadline! So,. only the heart remained.. And now I will show you all of my fonts inside this page: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQR STUVWXYZabcdefghij klmnopqrstuvwxyz12 3456789 And the symbols: !@(LOVE)$% :)&*()-+=\/<>" ,.?:' Oh, I forgot to tell you that there is another one special symbol except the heart which is the smiley :) I have used it several times in this note! Btw,. have you noticed that I didn't put all the fonts in one page? I was wondering why the programm I made (Where I write the text and it saves it in a file as it must be saved to be read later from the note engine) gave me an error message when I typed all the 85 characters in one page? Actually, in the beginning I was thinking that I typed some wrong character or something... But it was exactly this: Each page in my note cannot have more than 64 diferrent characters! I made it so for several reasons I will explain you right now! Hmm,.so this means that I will start with the technical details of the note and not of the demo! But that's better, 1st because you are reading the note right now and 2nd because I want to finish with it and continue later with the main demo technical description.. The fun is that the way I write texts, run several qbasic programms to save them in some files with a very special way and then I have to connect several of this files in one, write down some addresses and put them in some arrays on my code, all this way is confusing and I used several small Qbasic progs like small tools to do my job! Very confusing... I will tell you what I did and why I did it so.. First why no more than 64 fonts in one page? Because I used a way to be economic in memory. Look what I have done. I use an array for the fonts called fnt%(16384) Well, actually it is supposed to be a 3dimentional array called fnt%(64,16,16) Now you understand that this is the array where I will have the sprites of the fonts. For some strange reasons I wanted memory, I didn't declared an array fnt%(85,16,16) (Or the same array with one dimension Btw,. there is a special reason why I use only 1d arrays any more, it really saves a lot of speed and I discovered this while coding this demo!) Now I am thinking it, I wouldn't have a problem with memory either if I used the array for 85 fonts So it had no sense to do this and it also made the way to save and read this text more complex!!! But now I remember that at the beginning I wanted some spare memory for doing some other fx in the background or something.. (But the deadline.. :) And of course, usually the number of the diferrent fonts each page uses, is around 20-40. Of course this when writting a normal text. When I tried to present you all the fonts in one page, the programm which saves the texts in the right way screamed :) And now to our subject: But how did this note run when you use all 80 fonts? But I told you! I use all 80 fonts in the whole note but no more than 64 (And more less actually..) fonts in each page! So,.that's what the note reader does: Each time a page want's to be displayed, it loads on my fnt% array only the maximum number of fonts that the page uses! The diferrence is that Each Time that a the text of the new page should be loaded and prepared, some of the gfx of the fonts should be loaded in the fnt% array! Each time you move to read the next page of this note, the file Fonts16a.fnt is opened and some of it's contents are moved on the fnt% array, diferrent for each page! Of course before the data of the text are read, a header is being read. Each page is 1 byte which defines the size of the header, the header itself(64b the most) and the data for the text (20letters*10lines =200bytes) Of course the header includes the datas which say us which of the fonts are needed for this page (Btw,. the 1st byte of the header defines also the number of the fonts needed on a page, but I first needed it to know the size of the header, to know in which position of the file should I jump when I change page..) Anyway, enough! I think you understood the way I save the texts I am writting right now on the note! And how much I worked to write the code for this note and the tools to save the texts! Generally I ate more than 90% of my time to code this note, the tools and the elitegroup intro (Ohh, and painting the fonts and writting these texts! :) and only very few to connect the old fx I had done... Date: 11/02/2001 =----------------= My exams are over! Back to 2ndreality =----------------= The first thing I wanted to do at the beginning after I downgraded my computer where I work, was to update my CPCscene page. But I didn't backed up the old files of this page and now I have either to collect them from my page on the net, or to search them from some older backup CDs I have (But still, many pics and latest html should be gotten from my webpage on the internet.. But I will work for my CPCpage very very soon because it's too important to keep the scene alive! Downgrated??? I said downgraded and you may wonder what that means.. I was working for all of my projects in my Pentium200MMX. Now I work on a Pentium/120Mhz! Actually, my brother moved the computer in his room where he has a mixer and his stereo, because he wants to work on his music projects So, I thought to get an old Pentium that my father had left, so that I can work for my computer dreams, especially now that my brother will use the other computer to often. This is good because right this moment of my life, I never had so many computer projects to do at once before! Right this moment I need to have a free computer, to be able to code,paint or create webpages ,the most! So I will continue working in a computer that nobody will touch, I will be able to find a free comp to do my thing freely! (No! This isn't the story of ThePoorFreak! :) The story was about my parents, but now things are better ,.. well.almost) It's a nice feeling sometimes to downgrade your computer (Yeah! Don't call me crazy now! :) I was testing some Qbasic fx of mine to see how fast they would go (Hmm,. I must have done this on a old 486 too just for the fun!) I wanted also to run Heaven7 but it wanted MMX :P I also filled my 1.2GB HD (It's better now, cause in the Pentium200 I shared the HD space with my brother and it was less..) with every favorite PC demo I could put, with emulators and demos for the old machines, CPC, Spectrum, Amiga, Atari, Oric, Gameboy,. oh.. and C64 of course!!! (The fun is that even if I had an Amstrad CPC as a kid, even if I am on CPC scene and have big plans there,. I am in Big (LOVE) with the C64 Demos :) Hmm,. 14 pages just for talking about irrelevant things and not about the TechStuf (Ohh,.and I should finish with this note as sooner as possible, to be free to think about other computer projects of mine... (Damn! Optimus, why are you talking about projects all the time? Are you the projectman?! Actually I would prefer to use the word "Dreams" instead because it sounds more real! Anyway...) I shall not tire you with you more babbling and I should continue with the tech stuff.. Where was I? Oh,. I was explaining you about this writer! You know something I didn't liked on it? 1st) When you change a page, you have to wait a lot until the bouncing settles down.. 2nd) I don't know if the bouncing animation doesn't look that smooth (it looks clumsy) It's about the physix parameters you will use, the elasticity, the speed, the deceleration,etc. It must be not many times I tried to code fx with physical stuff and I always didn't succeded to do a good looking bouncing,. ok it is easy, I know the problem, I just haven't found the time to experiment with such stuff and I was in a hurry when I coded this note.. So, if you want to go to a far page to read your own greets, it is very slow and boring.. Hopefully I put some more keys "1-0" to be able to move far in the text, but still.. Btw,. many other things sucks in this demo, I know it, I just didn't had the time and courage to make them better.. I think I will write a list of "Things that suxx" in the end of this section.. But why? Perhaps because I want to show that I know the things that sucks and could be better in my productions? Every time I watch a demo, I use a program or play a game, there are some things that annoy me and I say things like: "The makers of this thing don't know how to design?" or "If I coded this thing I wouldn't have released it!" or "How can't they understand how much this thing sucks!" e.t.c.. Ok,. some things on some programms are really anoying that makes you wonder if the developers have a mind which feels what looks good or bad or which inter face operates good or bad, or they just don't understand that the thing they coded has really antiergonomic, antidesign, wrong colors, clumsy fx, crappy music,.. Ok,. enough! I was always wondering about the developers. But now look at me! I did the same mistake! I did a note which has something very annoying! If I had seen this big problem in a demo of someone else, I would start babbling about if the creator didn't got tired himself reading this note! And actually to tell you the truth when I wanted to correct some errors in my note and wanted to check them in the note, I had to scroll 20+ pages sometimes!!! (Yes even the "1-9" keys are not enough when the total number of pages are 426! (Ouch!) Btw,. it's not the first time! 2-3 times in my very short Scene Life(1+ - 2+ years Yeah, I am still very newbie :) I encountered similar situations Due to haste and deadlines we did the same mistakes on Ovation5 dmag or on the very antiergonomic Plasma Preview for CPC we have released lately (Actually Antitec was very enthousiastic that we can code such fx on CPC that we released a preview with a menu to choose diferrent plasmas in Basic and you can't go back to the menu, you have to reset! Very lame indeed :) This sounds like one of my writings for the "Other" section! (Damn! What a simple name Normally this section may have some of my nicest thoughts I want to pass to you, so it should have a fancier name (Like Dreams? :) but now it is really too late..) Enough Optimus! Let's continue with the tech stuff! Fast! Elitegroup intro ---------------- Do you know that this was supposed to be an options menu to choose settings about gfx detail, vsync, to choose to save the config, run the demo or read the note? I wanted to design 3 more similar design intros like this for that! E.g. when you choosed to go to the options, all the gfx and texts would scroll out of the screen with fancy ways and other would appear with diferrent fx inside in boxes or even circle areas! Something like that as you hear it! But I was a dreamer, an unrealistic freak again!(But I don't regret it, I love to be a dreamer :) I ate very much time to do 1 of these 4 screens! (Or are they 3?) I would never catch up to do it for 2 times more and connect these Elitegroup intros in a usefull thing the Options Menu! So I connected the one screen as an intro in the main demo.. Btw,. either the Note or the Intro have really messy code. I hope you understand what I mean. Unreadable code, Goto's(Ouch! Nuclear would say :) variables that you don't know what they do, goto's (again :) that say to the computer to Goto in the middle of nowhere in the programm, then somewhere else, logical patches (Ouch!My favorite :) a whole mess, a Confusion!!! I always knew that another of the lotsa things I have to learn on my programming experience would be to code right, to write well written code, I think you understand what I mean.. Ok, the most important for me is the optimized code and the neat looking fx (Good designed fx from the side of the coder) and not if the code will be readable (For me is still readable, for others no, but I admit that if I knew how to code nicer looking code then I would have spend much less time in debugging and developing..) Of course, I give you the code because it is needed to proove that it is coded in Qbasic and not in C. The code is not recommended for studying.. That was with the Elitegroup intro. Bad points are still that some of the decelerating texts are moving clumsy but generally it's a nice intro (But not what I wanted) Let's move faster and briefer in the main demofx Another writer with Zooming and Bluring on X Text ------------------ The negative here is that I used a dynamic array because I had problems later with the memory. So when this fx ran on my old computer at 70fps now it runs at 35! Pretty lame :P The CPU meter with Raster(Cooper) says me that just for few Mhz, this could have run twice the speed (I haven't thought of a way that the computer will choose not to wait for Vsync if an fx runs beelow 70fps in a random computer :P ) Btw,. in the blur effect there is a lame bug, but it must be easy to correct,.. so perhaps in this final version you will not see it.. Plasmas ------- Plasmas. Complex Transparent layer and Translucent all around the demo.. About the translucent (Looks somehow like the ones from Second Reality, but in 320*200 and not 320*400 like SR ones... It's about mixing two plasmas like a chessboard. Hard to explain but it's a very common fake way to do lot's of colors it's fake translucencies.. I discovered it accidentally! There is a variable, let's call it PPP.. We add it in our plasma equation, wherever we want.. Color=Fsin1(X+PPP) +Fsin2(Y)+Fsin3(X+ Fsin1(Y-PPP))+PPP (Actually we don't need to add it so many times,. just one time does the job, but that was a silly example) NOW: The value of PPP is 64 at the beginning (It can be any value, what fits our purposes the most) NOW: Each time we want to write the next pixel of the plasma, we do: PPP = -PPP So simple as that Just be carefull of other things.. E.g. the Length of the plasma on X: It is significant if it is even or odd.. Some of my plasmas have very complex equations. I was a little exaggerated.. The 3rd pink plasma has very cool shapes and animated very diferrent,. but it takes a lot of CPU time because of crazy equation.. However this produces some strange diferrent plasma shapes than the common ones we usually see in demos.. About the transparent layer plasmas: Heh.. Normally this effect had even a rotozoomer behind the plasmas but problems with memory made me to remove this... Normally,. I will do the following thing: In the webpage where I will have the final version of this demo, I will also have a Zip to download, which will have some of the fx sepparated (To be able to read in a not so messy code like this) some fx that I didn't put in this demo and perhaps more.. Some with EXE some with source.. But this is the final version! There is no meaning to tell you this here! :) Ohh..... The transparent plasmas - Last effect of the demo People would think that it would be damn slow (I regret not having put the version which have the rotozoomer inside too..) Well,. still sometimes I have to do 2-3-4 calculations for one pixel,. but people would thing that in each pixel I am calculating all 4 layers of fx and I am drawing from back to forward! So in each pixel I have to calculate 4 fx! That's wrong.. I draw from the forward fx to the back! E.g. I calculate the effect which is in front. (This means the orange sine plasma in my fx) I calculate the color of the plasma. If it is orange (non transparent) then I draw the pixel with this color and go on to the next pixel without having to calculate the other three layers of fx! If the result of the calculation was a color which was supposed to be transparent,. I don't draw any pixel but I calculate the color of the 2nd back plasma layer! If it is blue (non transparent) I draw the pixel,. if not, I check the 3rd layer of plasma! This is cool,. because there are many pixels where you calculate only 1-2 and not all the 3 plasmas! From Forward to Back! Do you know from where I got the idea about transparent plasmas??? Heh.. from a Spectrum demo :) Really! But that effect was just a plasma where it displayed an image in the pixels where it is transparent.. Heh.. I played so much with plasmas! I have 2 other ideas which I haven't showed of. One is a zoom plasma (Still have problems with that ..) and the other adding the colors of a plasma with the colors of a second effect (I used my rotozoomer for this again!) I can do a plasma on Qbasic on 5-10 minutes writting as fast as I can in Qbasic :) It's so easy effect.. I think that we have to go on.. Rotozoomer I don't know if it is really the best Qbasic roto- zoomer out there.. But it's fast and accurate. This is actually my proudest Hack in Qbasic :) And still I have thought some very cool ways to optimize more! I just have to work a lot for it! I can't say more things about the rotozoomer.. The Fire Effect I am not inside on Qbscene that much but I think that there are many people doing that effect out there. Perhaps someone did it, released code and then people have read the source, and because of it's easy logic and algorithm, many people did this again and again! My own version is the fastest and bigger ever,. as far as Qb demos I have seen.. And it could be faster because in this demo I have used a dynamic array because of memory problems :P I have another version in my sources which is full screen and gets around 130fps in my downgraded Pentium120!!!!!!!! Crazy heh??? I will tell you about,. but let's tell you some irrelevant thing first: You know, poking in Vram is for some reasons slower than poking outside the Vram.. (Well Peeking is damn slow and you should never use That's why fire fx are normally damn slow :) And there is a limit! I did a test programm in Qb which pokes a whole screen for about 1024 times with a simple color and then I counted the Frames Per Second.. On my Pentium200 MMX the limit of poking in Vram was 94fps! The strange is that on my downgrated Pentium 120Mhz the limit was around 130-140 as I remember!!! Was it the Video card? What was it? (As a newbie, this speed limitation when poking in vram seems strange but I shall check the thing..) So the fire in my Pentium200mmx will be 94fps! But it doesn't matter because I can vsync it to 70.. Just as a mention.. Let's go on! Peeking in memory for fx like fire or blur or feedback??? Never! Instead put the image of the screen on an array There is a problem here but we will talk about this later.. Some optimizes first! In fire and blur fx you add values of pixels around and divide the result to find the average. You can precalculate in an array the divides of course to speed up things More optimizings: You get 4 or more times pixels around and add them. The most time is spend on taking values from the screen buffer array. The best hack on this was that I have thought to use a 1dimensional array for controlling the screen buffer and not a 2d! As I have understood, when qbasic uses a 2d array, it does a specific multiply for controlling it.. How I understood this? I did a fire with 2d array. It got 50fps. I did the same thing using now 1d array I was controlling the 1d array with a multiply and it showed exactly the same 50fps! I did now the fire with array of 1 dimension but this time I optimized the thing easilly by using a specific addition instead of the multiply. 100FPS!!! The fire was 320*100 and ran in my Pentium200MMX. Imagine only that in each pixel qbasic was getting 4 times a value from the array! So,. 4 multiplies but now few adds! You may wonder how I did it full screen (Actually it's not 320*200 but 320*160 for special reasons..) I calculated a 160*160 fire and copied it twice in the screen one in the left and one in the right! The good is that for some specific reasons I am bored to explain, the two peaces of fire are connected good smooth each other without anyone beeing able to notice... The fire is not as fast as I wanted because for some memory problems I have used Dynamic Arrays which are slower (But I must have told you this a million times before :) The last fx I have to explain must be the Feedback effect. 320*100 because there were some problems but now I have some clues of how to do this 320*200 fullscreen (If I do a very crazy hack, I can even do it full, without using dynamic arrays and looking cool,. with some stars, sine curve and a thunder and going still fast!) Effects which take pixels from Vram are always hard but challenging hacks! Do you notice that I use the word hackers very frequently? We had a thread about "Hackers" (You know,. the illegal ones, with their lame wrong culture..) and I was misunderstood because I was using the term "Hacker" to define the people who break illegally into computer networks. I was against these people and I was talking about them and not about the old hackers of course which I respect.. (Where Hackers<>Illegal AND Hackers=Elite Coders in every aspect of the computers (E.g. in demos, games, Os, utils, apps,..)) This thread was on Csipd newsgroup and I have opened it.. Iwas misunderstood because people thought I was insulting the real Hackers. No! Not exactly,. perhaps they had some right and now they opened my eyes! I already knew about the old and the new definition of Hackers but I was unintentionaly using the term "Hackers" to talk about the"Breaking illegally in computers" people Because the new definition is hard stuck in our culture and we never use the old definition of hackers any more, but the new has predominated the old! There is even an existing Community/Culture out there which calls herself "The Hacking Scene" and it is real! The new "Hacking" (Illegal) shit is very confused and a big wound for computer society as I strongly beleive.. I could explain you for a lot of pages but I will write a very carefully thought article for some diskmags and various other sources about my scepticism on "Hackers" The fun is that I thought of never calling these lamers hackers again (They don't even deserve to use this Title for their lame acts!) and using it again for geeky stuff :) The other funny fact is that I did not forced myself to get used the words "Hack" on my writtings but it some how came alone after I have said and thought and talked with few friends about all these :) It just sounds cool and geeky that way :) I want very much to write this article because even if I knew these things that people where telling (Each one with a diferrent meaning,. some still kept the illegall property of the term!) for some reasons, it wasn't cleared in the way I have felt it these days We have to emphasize on the definition of "Hacker" we have to steal the Title of the illegal computer people as they did with us! We have to totally demistify and clear up things! I will write the article until summer for our CPC diskmag Ovation6, then for Hugi&Pain and then to some Internet and Newsgroups.. But I will be clear and say some diferrent things! The new community which calls herself "The Hacking Scene" which is about "Breaking illegaly into Computer Networks" and which uses very wrongly the term "Hacker" to mask and justify her lame acts and to make the whole act trendy, is just a very Wrong/Lame/ Illegal/Trendy and Dangerous Culture! These are not called Hackers! These are Lamers and Criminals!!! I hope I have cleared a little about my scepticism on the "Hacking" phenomenon... If the people where not there in the newsgroup of Pc Demos to misunderstand me and confuse my mind, I wouldn't have made some very neat conclusions about the whole thing.. I would have still played the dirty game of these lamers without ever knowing!!! I was just raising their Status by calling them Hackers when refering to them! I was already scepticist about this whole trend but I was using the term Hacker to talk about them! If you think about, they are just naked without their Title! They are just criminals lamers and mostly kids who beleived in this new trend wrongly called "Hacking" and confused even me who have heard about the old real definition of a Hacker! I fell in their trap... Anyway,. I will be back with this thing... Let's go on! Date? 23/02/2001 Heh,. just for the History!!! :) I feel all the truth now! It sounds like a big Conspiracy!!! How some clever guy can confuse my mind with some clever mechanism! Heh,. this is what I call a Hack!!! :) But I have found the big Flaw :) Come on Optimus! Let's go on! Well.. Optimizing??? Before I start about some talking on optimizing, I will talk about my code. I normally give the code too, to prove that it is in Qbasic. (And that's how probably works the Qbasic scene general) But the purpose that I give it is not that people will read my code! I think it is a big mess! It is not readable! One thing I want to learn in the future is to write readable/good written code.. I just thought that the code is just a big mess and I don't know to write organized code. (That's why I am newbie and learning...) Ok,. you will tell me that it doesn't matter! You will tell me that masterpieces haven't been released with their code and even great coders could write messy code, and you are right I also don't care that much for a Solo Production, but I still want to know how is more organized programming done, and perhaps messy code still makes it harder and more time wasting for me in debugging.. And btw,. I am starting coding with my friend Nuclear on VC++ which is object oriented language, which is more serious and more organized, but also when Nuclear saw my code he was kinda dizzy (And especialy laughing about the Goto's :) Working with Nuclear on our new PC Demogroup (This is entirely irrelevant with my Qbasic demo activities,. if there will be any in the future..) will give me lot's of opportunities and motivation to learn new stuff which had just less possibilities to start alone.. Things like Windows Programing DirectX, Direct3D (But I am hot for pure software fx for a long time in my demoscene activities and perhaps forever!) C++, Object Oriented and Organized coding! Great things and exactly the knowledge for a job (Although I am not really sure if I want to work as a game developer for a living.. Perhaps only doing 2-3-4+ kick ass engine games and become rich, so that I can continue doing what I love to do not for money! I am really hot for Pure Demoscene and other computer stuff just for the fun or for other reasons too,. but not money.. I will have to work first or do some irrelevant job for a living but I wish that I will have fun on computers without depending on money I even think to code some usefull tools like a Web Browser, some players/viewers, Os, Compiler and other usefull programms which I want to be better than the todays tools, but my dreams on these is that I will release them as freeware! I want to release the helpfull progs totally free! If I want to make enough money with computers in order to be able to live well and coding entirely for the fun anymore, the sollution is commercial games for me! again!) I wanted.. Heh.. the parenthesis was a few pages behind! :) What I wanted to say is that I didn't had the motivation to start with some VC++ Windows and DirectX programming. And for more things too,.because I had other demoprojects because I had to search and because I didn't had time for that too... But now comes a person and shows me all the things at once, helps me, e.t.c... Hmm,. from my writtings about my messy code, I continued talking about irrelevant things... Let's go on the Optimizations.. I must have told you that at the beginning I wanted to Pset a Pixel but that was slow. I just Poked in Vram. Ok,. ok! You know this and I am bored to write and I just want to finish this text! (I am thinking of writting a more explained tutor about all these, even for newbies out there (E.g. explaining them not using Pset but just Poking in Vram and how that works and e.t.c..) about optimizing in Qbasic,. the ones I used for demofx,. perhaps I will contact about this with the people behind QB Cult Magazine (I don't know any other QbMags. (Hey what about a Qbasic diskmag? :)) if I write such an article (Because now I am thinking it, I have lot's of other scene projects to do..) in the future..) My common optimizations are using Poke in Vram Integers whenever you can (I find the ways to use integers in an fx that normally uses reals,. you just have to learn to find ways alone except from common optimizing that everybody uses..) using as much less and out of the main loop the things like multiplies, divide integer divides, RND, Sines&Cosines other mathematical functions I may forgot,. Peeking from Vram (Never! very slow!!!) Also for a very cool optimizings you will have to use always 1d arrays! When Qbasic uses 2d arrays it perfroms a multiply to control. You can use 1d arrays But you have to control the array which is supposed to hold 2d data without using the same multiply but with some nice trick with making multiplies with additions.. 1st) I must have talked you about this when explaining about the fire 2nd) It's hard to explain from here and I will explain it in a future tutorial. 3rd) I have to go to bed now... Good morning. I didn't slept this night but the morning was very beautifull..(?!) Although the previous page was written before few days and not yesterday :) I was talking about removing as much as possible things that slow down from the main loop mostly. You end up usually with a loop full of additions and simple arrays! It can be enough optimized then. But it's interesting then. If you remove the simple commands, if you remove even a simple addition, a condition or also a multiply (Ok,. it was supposed to be in the avoid from the main loop list or something, but I will tell you..) then you gain some speed! Look what happened to me with a multiply. Javier told me the way to use in some loops additions instead of a multiply. I did this optimization in an effect but I didn't gained any important speed. I told him that but he told me that every optimization is important! The problem is that I removed the multiply from the main loop, but in the same loop there was something that was much more slower than the multiply so, even if I removed the multiply it would be still slow, the slowness of the slow command would cover the slowness of the fast one.. Perhaps it's hard to explain. To see a result I had first to remove the slow command and then the not so slow.. And btw,. there is a time where an fx is optimized to hell that even a remove of some additions can gain and sometimes even a remove of a slow command which is not in the main loop! (E.g. I was coding the fire fx and the main loop was optimized to hell and looking so lousy that the removing of RND from another much smaller loop (Which was about the base of the fire) had as a result to gain few speed! Of course when I put my computer down to the knees with these optimizations, when the main loop of the fx is so simple and fast, I can very possibly see full frame rate (70fps) fx in Qbasic in my Pentium200mmx! Although almost noone of the fx I did on this demo runs at full frame rate (One reason was that for lacks on memory I had to use dynamic arrays,... but now I am thinking it that mustn't be the real problem) Some of the fx doesn't run at full just for a few frames! (And there is a big problem in this because I use the command Wait &h3da,8 If the fx runs at 60fps, the command with the Vsync will cause it to run at 35fps.. Pathetic, but I don't know any other way for synchronizing the gfx... What else do I have to explain about optimizing? I want now to rest myself either by playing some Doom, Contra and Castlevania 2 (On Gameboy the last two..) or reading some diskmags.. So perhaps I will have to finish this section in a few time. But I haven't said many things! Perhaps in a future article as I have told you Btw,. many people ask me how really happens optimize and that they can't think of a way to optimize their code. When I was first learning I also didn't had an idea! I didn't knew to think! With Javier my mind started thinking alone! I can now optimize like hell a routine if I think of something. And there are many ways of optimizing E.g. the typical from one side or to use a simplier and more clever algorithm from the other side.. And you need slowly slowly to learn thinking and everything will come alone! Now my head works optimized :) The nice thing is that except from thinking optimized in a compiler, I also learned on assembly! (On Z80 on CPC) And there is much more interesting than here! In Assembly (At least on an old machine) you try to gain even the slightest machine cycle, you organize how and where to use each register (So that you will find left register everytime you need them and don't have to use Push-Pop or do some strange but time wasting magic) and other cool things! Btw,. asm optimizing is mostly about doing a simple algorithm with as less asm commands as you can, while optimizing in a compiler is mostly about optimizing the algorithm! If you make such a way your algorithm that it does the fx with the simpliest commands with additions and integer tables and as less mathematic commands and reals as you can, then comes some other typical optimizes and that's it! Now you can get that simple effect which uses anymore the simpliest commands in the main loop (Adds and Tables, damn I have told that a million times!) as possible, then the algorithm is ready to be ported in assembly and optimize at it's best! That's how I work on CPC as I am thinking it again now. I have made some nice plasma in Z80 Asm (It's my first good thing on asm ever! I am hardly getting used on it but asm is cool!) and I have now still to optimize the output engine (Damn! These old machines have very crazy ways to control the Vram that 13h on PC seems like a toy to me.. :P ) Anyway,. I think I have to go now.. Normally I may find the time to write a tutorial in Qbasic and typical optimizing which may be usefull for other compilers too.. Happy Hacking! :) Some other stuff ================ 19/04/2001 Heh, I have just learned that Toshi's compo is over. Damn, I have to release the final version of this demo, because I will be very busy with other demoprojects and my university in few days, so I have to get rid of this one as soon as I can! I am reading some notes I did few months before, about what I was supposed to talk about in this final section but I don't think I will write all these things, only few ones.. Or perhaps I will try to be very brief but at the same time to say the things I wanted to say. (Something very hard for me, cause when I start I can never end! Some qbasic democoders may be informed also about the PC demoscene and may have read already my huge, messy, unorganized and unrealistic weird texts I wrote on HUGI or PAIN. You see the same thing on my emails, on interviews (The one about CPC scene survey on PAIN0201) even on Irc or Icq, that I write too much stuff! Bad habit? Anyway... I hope that this final section will be as less big as I can because I have to finally get rid of this demo to see my other future demoprojects..) I think that it is time to start. First we will talk about some history! Yeah,. this demo was supposed to be worked with another guy and we where just learning a lot of cool stuff! Later he left the project and I then found out about a compo called Qlympics and so I wanted to get rid of my older fx with a demo for Qlympics. I even submitted my entry through the page of Qlympics and waited until the end for the results. But even after the date of the results, the page kept beeing unupdated! I couldn't contact with the organizer and people couldn't answer me what's happening. Later,I discovered Toshi's intro compo and I just wanted to release my stuff there.. And so here we are Btw,. with all this adventure to release my old fx, many months have passed. This demo was probably not what me and Javier planned but still good for Qbasic. And since I wrote even many texts of this electronic note for Qlympics many of the greets are very old. The history ends with Qlympics. Doesn't mention than this compo was canceled or something and I moved my entry to Toshi's compo.. I have written pieces of text before December 2000, after that, even now(19/04/01) Many months since then and btw many changes in me too. I am thinking what my state of mind was when I was trying to catch up the deadline and what after some months or now! I remember beeing a little dissapointed because the demo was worse than what I was thinking of it because of the deadline (And now think about how funny life is,.. trying desparately to catch up to finish your entry for a compo that didn't really exist! Heh :) I was reading what the hell I was writting that old time in my note and it was kinda funny! Seeing your old self writting some passionate or despaired texts about computer dreams, beliefs, thoughts in a very strange way. You may have noticed these "Wanna do my Computer Dreams to Reality" or Crazy Philosophical Weird texts many times from me,e.g. in the news on my page (But I won't start analyzing myself in this note,. I can't now It's only that this is my crazy self now and I just see it now with fun! :) Stoping with this and moving to the next point.. But I am just trying desparately to think what the next point is! :P I don't know what to write next now. I will just let it flow again. Let's see what my notes says about what I was planning to talk about in this section: "What I wanted it to be", "About Qb Scene", "About get a life", "About my dreams", "Unsattisfied", "Future", "Quest for Freedom", "Telos Epoxhs", "Good Feedback", "About me", "Note worth", "Hackers", "Read again what I was writting", "Into the Fight", "Change of Seasons", "List of Greets", "What I wanted it to be", "Apologismos" Heh, I write strange, don't I? I just wrote the list of some notes I kept about what I want to talk about on the "Other" (This :) section. Let's take each one and talk about (Damn I am bored, or actually anxious to finish this shit!) "What I wanted it to be" Hmm,. perhaps I wanted to write my visions about this demo which didn't proved to be what I wanted it to be because of deadline (Have mentioned this a million of times :P) Hmm,.. I am bored. Better wait for my next one to see my visions on the screen. Until next Qb Demo so! Next Point.. "About Qbscene" Oh yeah! I still want to say some things about how I found the Qbscene and what I think about her and also about my future in the qbasic scene.. I will notice this special point down and talk some pages down about after I get rid with the not so important points.. Next point please! "About get a life" Heh,. do you remember my first demo ever called "The Poor Freak"? Things like Myself Computers, Freaks, Dreams 2 Reality, my parents, me talking with myself,me writting weird passionate despaired texts in my page or else where, various other things, my reactive self, all of these have some connection with them and with myself and they just build my personal labyrinth of my confused thoughts.. But don't worry I find all these fun, I lately see them with humour, at least one part of myself.. It's just about various things on my life which have connection with all these. Various confused thoughts which I just like to write somewhere and I am becoming weird.. But life seems to me much funnier lately and I just keep going, trying to find the way through the labyrinth of myself and making slowly slowly my dreams to reality! (Hey,.I think that I have said this phrase a lot of times before! I am becoming boring and I loose my Mana (The magic :)) Crazy! Strange! I love it :) Funny! :) :) :) (LOVE) Let's go on.. I don't really remember what I really wanted to say in the point "About get a life" but I just let my thoughts flow from that phrase! Next point please! "About my dreams" This make me keep some new notices for later and move to the next point! "Unsattisfied" Oh yes,. I was! Now I find it funny, life itself One god knows what strange things I wanted to release from my labyrinth of myself when my State of Mind was kinda confused and despaired or passionated that time.. "Future" Perhaps I will talk now about my future projects on the Qbasic scene. This goes next to the "Me and the Qbscene" I have just noticed down! (Hey! You crazy! :) Quest For Freedom point.. My last delirium on Ojuice. I usually find some strange phrases or other ways to do some Weird Magic inside my labyrinth of myself and reality Lately I have found many cool things to fill my own unrealistic/ despaired (not really! I am very optimistic :)/weird or pasionate self. When everything is strange, funny or futile lets say then I wish "Quest for Freedom" which had a special philosophical meaning I once had put but have to rethink now. Or alternative I like to quote "You can either laugh or die!" when life is becoming so funny so weird, so strange (And this happens in my confused not that good moments when I also become so silly whinning all the time about various things and watching people from the external eye of a beholder watching their problems, their silly moments and analyzing with humour all these good or bad things I see on our lifes Damn,. I have confused my talkings again! It's time to go to bed. Tomorrow I will normally go to the library to read for my university lessons (I have to do this too (without destroying my lovely computer (And life I could say) dreams of course) or else I will be always in some blind dead way..) Damn,. I am cute!(LOVE) Good Night :) Good Evening! Am I not writting funny things here? (LOVE) :) (LOVE) :) (LOVE) :) Ich gehe nicht gut What to write? Let it Flow Oh,.. the points! I have just remembered.. "Telos Epoxhs" Xmm,.. this is greek and means "End of Season" End of Season or Change of Season or something like that, would be the name of my demo but for some reasons I can't remember, I choosed another name. Heh! Why am I always using names that have something to say about my computer life or something (E.g. "The Poor Freak") Computer Life? This is silly but I just use it for fun anymore. It's just mylife which main focus has something to do with computers. There is no Real Life or Computer Life (Or actually there is if you want, because you can beleive everything in this Strange Universe if you want, but it just another term like the one called Real Life) Btw,. now I am thinking, I wouldn't say that my main focus on life is computers because it's something more than this, but still main focuses of my life has to do with my Computer Dreams! It's just that the word Computer doesn't stick easilly with words like "Dreams", "Life", "Beauty", "Soul", e.t.c.. Perhaps because humans still think very silly... It just doesn't hear good even to me! Computer sounds like a harsh word, in a harsh meaning! I don't know if it is a forgotten memory of the past but even to me the thought of a "lifeless" metal box sitting there and just computing doesn't remind me dreams or beauty! (Except if you put some nice demos running on the screen! :) Hey,. now I am thinking it, PCs seem harsh machines, but that doesn't happen with my CPC ") Or the other ones, the lovely C64 with the lovely Sid musax, the Spectrum, e.t.c.. These machines feel to me just soooo cute! :) But perhaps I have this idea because their scenes are just sooo cute! :) Just people who create on that machines! Artists and Creators! Btw,. I seem now like the people who tell me to get a life! :P How the hell do I dare to say phrases like "the lifeless metal box"??? Heh,. it's silly! (Hmm,.silly sounds very cute word btw =) Actually the phrases are lame. We are here, we dream, we create on computers! We do nice demos, we build beautifull worlds, we find other creative friends in the demoscene or the computer world, why the word computer makes all people scream??? Ohh,.. God! How we confuse all these things! How silly we are?! Heh! Life seems funny again when I am wondering how silly we are :) So it's very fun to rethink all these and analyze them again and again,. always thinking that there is not a real truth, it's what everyone beleives and feels... Hmm,.. from which point did I came here? From "Change of Season" Heh,.. I call this "trapped on Hypertext" when you start talking or thinking something and you end up on an entirelly irrelevant subject after many many html links on your thoughts! Well,. the text that I end up was about "Get a Life" about my 0stdemo and other things about similar computer matters.. The one of our main point was also about my life about a change of season on my life Lol! The time I was thinking of this point, the changes in my life where very tiny in comparison with now! That time I was just pationate with my computer life or something but now I feel that I change and evolve so fast and I am just wondering what new things and ideas will invade in my universe after 1 year for example! It's times that I tell to myself: "Hell! What was I before 1 month?" What kind of changes you will ask me? Well,.. I am bored to write and it may be complex or few things that I don't want to say right now... It's just about me and everything! Heh,.. you may be bored reading the usual Optimus pasionate texts about unidentified random subjects that try to find some way out of my personal labyrinth (That labyrinth term with the meaning I give to it is kewl! I thought of it while writting this section and I like it very much :) Actually I now that I always may seem silly with all these things I write but that's enough! I find my silly/weird self funny and cute! :) (Heh,..I just have a mania with the word "Cute"! Who knows,.. perhaps I am really in love as some people on Pouet oneliner claimed! :) Cute (LOVE) Cute (LOVE)(LOVE)(LOVE) :) Damn,.. I should have made more symbolds like these! They are just sooooo Cute! (LOVE) :) "Good Feedback" I really don't remember what I wanted to write in this one.. "About me" will go after the other ones in the new notices.. "Note Worth" In this point I just wanted to talk about electronic notes like this one. Do you remember Crystal Dreams 2? When this great demo ended, there was a surprise! You could read various things, tech stuff, greets e.t.c.. in a nice interface with some music too! Great feeling! You get a demo and there is more to read when it ends! And of course in a nice electronic way, not txt file. Have seen some C64 Demos? For some reasons, this "electronic note attached to demo" logic is very frequently on the C64 Scene, I could say common! Each disk with a demo has a prg called "read the note" or something! And watching old scrolles or funky writers is very cute! :) It's also a nice opportunity for me to code some crazy scrolls or silly writers! It's cool that you finish watching a demo and there is more to do! Actually, a very good thing, you read the thoughts of the creator about the demo, the scene or other interesting infos about either the creator or the tech side of the and more! You see the demo and there are also some nice or interesting things to read from the side of the creator! I find it very cool and I will personally try to have attached one note in any of my productions with a funky writer and some crazy texts about me and my creation! (But at least the next time I will try to write less texts than here :P) You know, sometimes I find diskmags very important for the scene. Because with demos you see what the creators can do, but with a diskmag you see the creators behind the demos, you read their thoughts, their feelings,.. and actually you feel the big community behind demos! I can't explain the feeling, but anyway. You see now that a note can be something like a small mag or something, or actually have the similar effects, showing the people behind the demos, showing the community of the sceners, more deep than the demos... Hmm,.. I am still talking very much. Btw,. this note is antiergonomic because it slows the bounching very long.. But isn't that a cool idea? To have such an electronic note in every (I hope) of my demos? Next point. "Hackers"??? Ohh,.. when I was writting the tech section, it must be a long time ago, and I was having fun (As life is just soooo funny :) with some silly things I was arguing on csipd, about "Hackers".. Perhaps I wanted to talk you about all these,. but I won't now.Normally I am thinking to write carefully an article called My scepticism on "Hackers" for our CPC mag Ovation6 which will be released in June I hope (And I hope that I myself have enough spare time so that I can write this and other important articles with my thoughts on various subjects with pace) Later I am thinking to republish it in Hugi and in 1-2 sites.. Just to release many of my current thoughts about this silly looking to me "hacking" culture about the confusions of many people with the term "Hacker" and more... Just to release my current feelings/thoughts and see what other people think about Perhaps I was talking little harshly/pasionate about this subject both in "tech" section of this note and on csipd too, but still I am confused (But I will take it easy anymore I hope..) "Read again what I was writting" and "Change of Season" Hmm,.. I have talked about them before.. "List of Greets" Oh,. yeah! Because the greetings section has 426 pages and someone would be very tired to search if he was greeted or not by scrolling so many pages (I am wondering why I am always writting so many greetings to every people I know out there?!) I will write e.g. From page 130 and then, greets to the CPC sceners from 192 and then starts the greets to my Friends, etc (Of course this was an example..) Normally, this simple list will exist also in the txt file of my demo, but I will also write it in the end of this section.. Do I have something more to say? Last point is "Apologismos" It is greek and means report or something.. Would I give a report of what I have done in this demo, what was my mistakes, what did I wanted this demo to be and what I have done, e.t.c.? Don't know. Better move to the main new points.. Hmm,.. this note is gonna finish in a few time. I just have to write what left, setup some colors, do some other stuff and release my demo. I just can't wait to finally release this shit! I have corrected few bugs I have put the ESC key to quit and the SPACE key to see the next part and I have also succeded in correcting the memory problems and put also a rotozoomer of the old head (The poor freak strikes back :) inside the last effect called the transparent plasmas. I am wondering if I would gain few technical or wow points if I had put this thing in the compo version. The demo is over I think. After I finish the note, I will do the final think. Collect some old effects that I didn't catched up to put in the demo and give them away with the sources. In the same page of the demo, there will be also a zip with various old effects and random qbasic demofx sources of mine.. Ok,. it's time to talk about the final important points I have left for the end. One is about Me,Qbasic and the future.. Perhaps I should start talking about how and when I learned the qbasic scene and it's demoscene.. It must be after 1998, when I first got connected to the thing called internet through my university for the first time in my life! Internet was a luxury for Greece, especially for me and I have started to hear about it after 1995 I think.. The fun is that few months before I have connected for the first time on the net, it was the time that I discovered all alone the unknown world of demos through a CD from a commercial mag. It must be at Spring of 1998, I had a 486,I opened it very rarely because I had to read my lessons for the exams to pass to the university and that time I opened a directory of the CD called Demos, hoping to find a demo of some good games to play again! (Heh,. from that time I forgot everything about games anymore! :) Btw,. while the CD was from 1995, it had scroller demos of 1991! At least it had also Chronologia and Second Reality! I only had these and I kept watchin them again and again. I was wondering if there exists today demos you know,. when I found the few very old ones, that's the only thing I knew (And I didn't had an idea about the community called demoscene!) There wasn't any friend of mine who knew demos.. Like I just had found a hidden treasure! I just can't imagine the feeling! I was keeping watching the same and the same demos again and again! Most of them scrollers! A bunch of 20+ demos from 91-92 and me having discovered an old treasure, beeing not logged to the outside world... Until I went to the university. Free and fast inet access! First thing I had done was just to browse around in order to get used to the inet, find an email address, participate in some message boards, e.t.c.. Next think to search more about this hidden demo world! I was very curious how the today's demos will look like in my 486! And then I discovered that in order not to get results like "Quake demo", I had to search for a word called "Demoscene" :) To the Qbasic subject now! When seeing the first demos, I wanted to code something similar like the effects I was watching! The only thing I knew then was Qbasic. The first demoeffect I must have coded must be a simple 2d star scroller I think. It must be the time when I learned that there are some cute things on programming languages called arrays and I just thought that I could control e.g. 100 sprites by having their speed and positions in an array (I was just wondering what I was doing all this time without knowing arrays on my old CPC?! Anyway,.. irrelevant with the main subject, let's move on! That time, I thought that I should find a thing called compiler to make my programms to EXE. I was using Qb1.1 you see :P So I searched in the net for this one. And I found all these crazy pages with Qbasic stuff! I found the pages of the Qbasic scene! No,. I didn't said to myself "I want to be a Qbscener!" :) I was already learning my first things about the PC Demoscene! I was just searching to get a compiler from there and I had seen some sections called "Qb Games", "Qb Gfx Demos", "Qb Applications" e.t.c.. I was wondering Games on Qbasic? Demos? Can they do fast gfx on Qb? I checked few screenshots too and I was dazzled! Qb raycasters? Qb 3d cube? Fires? Plasmas? Bump? Qb??? Qbasic????? I imediatelly downloaded some of them to check them at home! Perhaps I was curious for the impossible! It was the same crazy as the impossibilities on demos!!! A similar thing... I just watched them and dazzled! Well,. it weren't as good as the current ones but I had never seen something like even this in Qb! That days I continued just downloading demos from the PC Scene and I didn't visited regurarly these crazy Qbasic sites. Only sometimes I decided to login on some of them and download from curiosity some more random impossibilities on Qbasic! I just had understood that there is another community called Qbasic scene which just wanted to have fun by doing things that other people will think as impossible just because they are in Qbasic! (Btw.. it's not that hard as it seems! Qbasic is not that slow as people beleive, well.. it maybe still more slow than the other compilers but it's fast enough to write on the screen if you don't be so silly to use Pset :) It's just that when people hear the word Qbasic they laugh without a second thought! I didn't do some magic in my demos! I never used inline assembly! It's not so slow as they think it! Similar techniques I use, are beeing used to optimize in other languages too! And my fx use always integers. Of course this gives a power to my codings now I am thinking it! My fx are old for the demoscene but makes people wow when I tell them that they are in pure Qbasic! Just because of the "Qbasic" my demos have some worth... Heh :) Damn,. I am out of the main subject again. That time I wanted to do just a small demo in Qbasic with what I was coding. I thought that I am lucky because there is a scene to show what I have done. There is this crazy Qbasic scene that I was amazed that a think like this exist! I am just thinking what I knew that day about coding and Demoscene and I just tremble when I am thinking it :) Damn,. I am writting to much in order to say few words! Perhaps I have the bad habit to catch up from one of my words or thoughts and let it flow in other thoughts.. Where I have left? Oh... I was happy to finish my qbasic demo and send it to the qb sites! Hmm,.. that time must be when I have learned the other crazy thing! That Demos are beeing released on many old machines even today! I have heard about Gouraud shading or wolfenstein3d in C64 and it sounded so much crazy! As a kid I had a CPC so I was wondering if there is a CPC Demoscene out there! (It was much smaller and harder to find,. that's why I decided to build a CPC Demoscene page and try to make the CPC more known to other sceners) It must be the time when I met Antitec of Dirty Minds, dazzled that there is even a CPC Scene in my little country.. I joined Dirty Minds as a gfxist and I wrote also few articles for Ovation 5 our CPC diskmag. This must be at Summer 1999. After that I must have released my old Qbasic demo called "The Poor Freak" the 0stdemo Just because I wanted to get rid of my first qbasic democodings. I normally wanted to be involved in the PC and CPC scene and never intented to be a part of Qbasic Demoscene.. I had never thought of that this way! One day I have got feedback about my Qbasic demo from a Spanish guy You may have read the history section about this It happened that we wanted to do the best demo ever I was wondering how can he write so fast pixels in the screen (Bah,. I was using Pset!) I also learned to think optimized in Qbasic (And generally in other programming languages..) and I have learned to do a fire effect (I was amazed! First sophisticated looking effect for me! (I later learned from him that I shouldn't use Peek for my fire :) I was doing full screen great fx and not simple 2d starfields and scrollers!!! Later, Javier left our Qbasic project and I had a bunch of cool looking fx. And here is the story. I released them in a demo! I just wanted to get rid of them and show people that I also have a small idea of graphical algos or demofx! About Qbasic scene? It's funny! My previous plans where to release the old things I had done! I already had plans to move to C++ because I wanted to be involved in the PC Demoscene! But I just found it fun! I find it a challenge to try to make Qbasic fx as faster as possible! I just want to say that I am thinking it very possible to do more Qbasic demos! Of course I will see, now I am finished with this demo, my important C++ demoprojects with my new PC group called "the Lab" and I will take care of my CPCdemoprojects and my webpage too When I finished this demo, there were various things I was thinking about but didn't included. With Javier we even thought of coding various 3d stuff, even a realtime raytracer (Ok,. this is a funky rumour never prooved, I hadn't even seen the raytracer of Javier but anyway) We wanted even to put music on it! And because I haven't done anything in Qbasic yet, there are many things to be done, many records to brake, we haven't seen almost no pure qb demos with music I think, we can see faster 3d, better fx, even some oldskool or newskool design, it's just keeps draging me,.. a feeling keeps draging me wanting to show to the Qb community that more technically hard demos can be done in Qbasic! It's the challenge it's that I want to show something that hasn't been done so good before in Qbasic! I have never finished with Qbasic democoding! Because I want to be a scener on multiple scenes, qbasic will be one for me too, but perhaps you will not see very soon a new demo from me My current plans is that my next qb demo will have some music player (Perhaps I can play some tiny modules, e.g. a 4 channel MOD with some chip music..) and a cool 3d engine too.. I will try to code things like that in Qbasic, just to learn and also because I find it challenging! (Most challenging is the lame memory for me in Qbasic. If I want to do more stuff, I have to use dynamic arrays which are slower though,. in my next demo I will think how to organize the small amount of memory in order to not have memory problems and also to use as more as I can static arrays (Perhaps static will be used for my fx and dynamic for the music, in my next demo..) But first I will code various things sepparately and find then how to organize them good...) It just drags me like hell! This demo wasn't what I really wanted and I had some memory problems and I said to myself: "I will beat this faqing Qbasic, I haven't finished!" Anyway,. I think it's time to finish slowly slowly. One final thing that makes me to want to remain in the Qbasic scene, is that it is a scene! A big community! I was thinking what makes the scenes? The CPC, the PC, the C64, the Spectrum, the Amiga, e.t.c.. It is that they form a Community! People feel that they beelong and form these scenes! If you do some thing,you will get feedback or you will just now that people of this community is now running your creation! If you feel the scene then there is no matter if it is PC, or CPC, or Java, or Qbasic, or the Fortran scene :) If people form there have a so big Qbasic community and we try to do things on Qbasic that sounds amazing and have fun, then why not to say that I am a Qbasic scener even if this sounds silly to other people? It's a community and we are just doing it for fun! We just have choosen Qbasic for doing our impossibilities just because it sound either amazing or just funny! (The same funny that e.g. the C64 demos are! It's funny that the make gouraud shading, wolf3d, big 2d effects and fractal zoomer on C64, and the fun here is that it's like they are saying: "Hey look! My 1Mhz C64 beats the ass of your 386!!!" :) These silly scenes are just sooo funny! :) And it's a community, don't forget it :) These must be my confused thoughts about me and what I think about the Qbscene, put here unassembled, weird written, or something... Btw,. something that I forgot! There are like 2 scenes! The Qbasic scene, people who do not only demos but also games, utils, emuls, applications, GUIs and everything that sounds funny or impossible to be done on Qbasic! And there is a very small part of this community called the Qbasic Demoscene. Of course I feel like beelonging in this scene and the one who codes in pure Qbasic and no inline assembly at all. (And btw,. I don't have any idea of assembly on PC and how to load it on Qbasic, but in the future I will be interested to learn, first for learning reasons and second for optimizing and also for tiny demoscene impossibilities (4kb intros!)) I see that I am writting too much today and yesterday. I normally could say the things I wanted in few words but somehow I confuse myself or something.. Anyway,. the last things I would like to say is about me, my demodreams, e.t.c. I learned very lately the demoscene at 1998 when I was 18 years old. But it just myself beeing anxious that I may not catch up to do my computer dreams that's why I am always telling people that I was very late in the scene.. That time must be when I felt much more what I wanted to be in my life, a real computer freak! That sounds silly but I am just reporting what is my main focus on life or something. Slowly, slowly I wanted to be involved, I joined at 1999 the Dirty Minds on Amstrad CPC and it was cool that there was someone in my country, in my hometown to teach me few assembly and to talk and say news about the CPC Demoscene.. This was Antitec of Dirty Minds. I had showed him also the gfx algos I have tried in Qbasic and we think that we can join forces to do something good on CPC (I am also a gfxist on CPC. My first gfx can be seen in Ovation issue 5) As for the Greek PC Scene, it's inactive right this moment, it existed after 1994+ to 1997+ (Three Gardening parties at 95, 96 and 97 in Patra) I had done a page which had all Greek productions I could gather, some old infos, news, party photos and more,. just to keep the history.. Lately, I had heard that a Gardening2000 was organized in Athens! I learned it randomly, well someone else told me :) The problem was that the old greek sceners didn't even had many idea what is happening today in the scene even me, who was new on the scene and was just informed of what is going on the PC scene, didn't knew about the party (And even if I knew, I didn't had the knowledge and time to contribute something good and the date of the party was also inside my exams!) Now imagine that there wasn't actually any old sceners to attend, or actually there wasn't even any active sceners at all! Btw,. they had some compos about gfx, music and web, but no demo compo at all and they had also 3 multiplayer compos! :P The party was not a demoparty but just a simple LAN Party! :P But it was a start and I will tell you why! Because they are going to do it again and actually in end of July (This means no problem with the date!!!) it will have probably a demo compo as they say, and right this moment I have contacted some old greek sceners and they seem to be interested again for something new! I have done a Greek Demoscene Mailing List, we are more than 20 old and new people just to keep informed about everything new happens, and especially about the next Gardening (Btw,. the new Gardening wasn't organized by Deus but from some other people) If we know it from now and try to start something new, there might be few contributions in the party and it's a hope that the scene starts again! Old people who seem still interested are the Deus group (get Fruitcake and The Rythm is Rough to see some of the best Greek demos) and the people from ASD. And some independent for now sceners like Amusic, Night and more.. And there are also some newbie people who learned what a demo is when there wasn't even any Greek PC scene anymore.. A newbie greek demogroup, our group called "The Lab" with 6 members. One is living in the same town as me, Thessaloniki and he learned the demoscene lately, he liked it, he is informed from net and he started learning alone in BC++ and VC++! He is Nuclear, and it is a good opportunity for me that I will learn some Windows, DirectX programing and some C++ because we are going to code a demo for the new Greek party. So I will have to learn some C++ in order to recode some 2d effects I know there. Nuclear will take care of the 3d engine and perhaps the music player too,.. I will just code few things (I am thinking to recode also an electronic note like this in 640*480, fixing a little the fonts and don't replay the same antiergonomic bugs on bouncing and of course not that much text anymore) I am also thinking to try myself on PC pixeled gfx (Perhaps with GFX2 by Sunset Design) if there is also an image compo. But I am just waiting for some news about the party.. Other memebers of our groups are Bad Sector (Coder) Axis (Coder), iM(Gfxist) and an old greek tracker who asked us to join our group! We are now 6 people and I just want that we will release something in the new Greek party (Which is not sure if it will happen again, but I hope because this time we know it and old and new greek sceners may be interested to start something new..) Anyway,. this is my current state on the PC scene. We are just learning and we want to support the Greek party, because if it is succesfull and there are few contributions, then perhaps something new may start again in my country.. Later I have other personal projects on the PC scene, but that's another story.. I am also involved on the CPC Scene (A black grey 8bit machine with Z80 and 128kb of Ram) The scene is much smaller than the other two main 8bit scenes (C64 and Spectrum) but I have great plans for her.. I was only a gfx man until now, but I started learning Z80 Assembly (And generally the 1st time in my life I feel what assembly really is!) and I passed some big plasma fx on CPC! Fortunatelly my friend Antitec helped me optimizing this shit and I learned many optimizing logics on asm from this and it can still be more optimized. My next plans are to code a small solo demo on CPC, featuring plasmas, fire, bump, feedback and rotozoomer or at least few of that. Normally I wanted to start it few months ago, but I didn't even touched my CPC because of so many other demoprojects So perhaps after Summer I will start with this and I want just to release something new on the scene and also to get used on coding asm (I am not get used yet, I am still crawling, but I am more confident now!) To code this thing, will be a great exercise for me and it will give me more confidence with asm language, if I succeed to do it! It's more complex for me the newbie on asm, because it will not be just one effect after the other, but it may have some transmitions and also decrouncing of the code (For example, I use frequently the "unroll loop" technique in my effects, cool for optimizing on CPC, but I don't want that the code I will run, will have the loops unrolled, I want that another asm subroutine will generate the unrolled loops, and decrounch each effect after the other, just because of memory, because I am bored to copy paste 100 times the same thing and then my CPC assembler scream of not enough memory and 3rd because it is either more cool/ correct/neat or because it is for me to be more exercised on more complex asm code.. So I will have 5-6 effects in memory and some gfx and I will just decrounch what I need, I will have fades/ transmitions beetween the fx something more complex than just showing one effect..) But this demo was arranged after Summer, because of other demoprojects Btw,. this exam I wanted to do many things on demoscene. I had to write articles, continue my web pages, code a little, paint a little, and code Z80 asm. I had some small deadlines, and until know I can see that I hadn't lost any of them! The harder comes now. I have to write 3+ gfx tuts and 4+ several articles for our CPC Diskmag Ovation issue 6, which will be more big than ever! (Perhaps almost 40 articles!) I hope that I will finish in less than 10 days my tutorials because I have later to catch up my important articles (Which will have some of my thoughts on various computer and scene subjects and I just want that these will be written with my own pace.) I have a month I could say, until June.. So I will hardly find any time for something more these days,perhaps only to try to code something in C++ for my group because the greek scene party is coming too.. I am just trying to finish this note just to happily release it so that I can see my other projects with more pace.. Anyway.. I think that I have slowly slowly to end, stop talking and get rid of this shit.. Is there anything else I wanted to say about me and the demoscene? Oh yes! First that I was never been in a demoparty and this is a dream for me right now, but perhaps I will find the chance for this, either on Erlangen CPC reunion meeting in Germany where I wait to see many old and new CPC sceners and have many online friends to meet for the first time but unfortunatelly it is in 8-10 June inside my exams :P Most possibly I will go with my group on the new greek party if there will be any in end of July! Many online people to meet there too and a hope for a new Greek scene! Other things? I had told you that I want to be a multiple scener, I see demos from every machine and I am very possitively thinking to be involved on them (Mostly as a coder because I love the idea of breaking limits, and cause it's also a good opportunity to learn the technical differences and tricks of every machine and the diferrences on asm of other cpu's..) First focus will be C64 I think! I am just amazed by the big and cool community of the C64 and the amazing demos they do on so low hardware! I will search for texts, documentation, programms, contact and the real machine. Perhaps after Summer I will think of this Other focuses may be Spectrum, Gameboy, GBA and AtariSt for various reasons.. I am already in PC, Qbasic and CPC scene and I may be an unrealistic freak but heh... that's me. If you could read my lot of crazy very future dreams on computers.. I better go on and make them to reality as less slow as I can.. I think it's time to cut off my text as it is and give you only the list of greet pages on that crazy 426 pages section. And then I will say some last words too.. Or better let's say the last words now! Perhaps only some more things and addresses about me.. mkargas@hotmail.com Michael Kargas aka Optimus/Dirty Minds/the Lab Btw,. have I told you about the web pages I have build? "The CPC Demoscene", "The Greek Demoscene" "Optimus Introduction to Demoscene" and "Female Computer Entities"! Heh,. the last is crazy! It's a page dedicated to the few computer girls out there! I have found many cool infos and I will put software and more stuff on my page than just putting their nicks and photos when I find time.. You may have already read my article on HUGI21. All these from here. http://www. fortunecity.com/ skyscraper/black/ 791 (Damn,. I will buy a domain name and I will also move my page to my university, they give now 50MB for webpage! Btw,. I am studying Math at the Aristoteles University of Thessaloniki. Hmm,.. many pages I did but isn't easy to keep on. Many demoprojects too :) Btw,. have I told you that this exams I was mostly active as a writer on demoscene? Anyway.. let's finish.... Perhaps I wanted to say more, but another time... Greets: - To Qbasic People (You are the 1st one :) Just read the Greetings sections and you will be there!) - Friends (In the greetings always, press "2" and scroll to 55.. - CPC Scene (Press 4 and scroll to 158) - To PC and other scenes (Press 6 and scroll to 259 Sorry :) - To the Ladies :) Press 7 and there you are(The easier for the ladies :) - To PC Master Forum People (Press 8 and you are right on target :) Btw,. there are more greets, but these are the most important. I stop here giati den me pairnei... Game Over It's finished... Beware of the Deadlines! I am free!!! Quest For Freedom :)